Which healing job are they gonna gut for Sage?

[Nethereal]

...Why are we assuming that the only type of shield that could ever be coded is one that would be utilized irrespectively of relative damage value?

If you provide a buff to an ally that absorbs up to 500 potency worth of damage and is consumed based on each attack's would-be damage relative to the target ally's remaining HP, and thus is scarcely if at all reduced by auto-attacks prior to a tankbuster... does that just stop being a shield?

Maybe it's the coding but shields would have tons of uses if they didn't have actual hp potency and only shield potency, but once again the designers stray away from that because a 400 potency shield in content that doesn't hit hard enough creates a balance issue. They also don't want to deal with the intricacies of what it means to have shields not actually have any hp potency.

[Saefinn]

Isnt that the point though? You dont sit on them when you have a bloody Lilly ready due to having a full Lilly bar?

Always be casting is what I've learnt in my time here and in game

Always be casting yes, but if you're in a situation that requires not much healing (which accounts for a lot of situations) you're spamming glare/holy and not your afflatus spells, so those lilies build up and you don't use them because it's just over healing and is a DPS loss.

A lily dump would allow you to make use of lilies when you're not doing much healing and build your blood lily for affects misery.

This complaint comes out of playing healers being really boring on most content because you're spending 70% or 80% of the time spamming 1 or 2 dps spells.

[Shurrikhan]

Maybe it's the coding but shields would have tons of uses if they didn't have actual hp potency and only shield potency, but once again the designers stray away from that because a 400 potency shield in content that doesn't hit hard enough creates a balance issue. They also don't want to deal with the intricacies of what it means to have shields not actually have any hp potency.

Again, though...

Similarly situated eHP-increasing alternatives to flat HP-potency shields, as seen in other games:

• Armor/Resistance (Def/MDef) bonus decaying with time
• Armor/Resistance bonus decaying with damage taken (encourages stacked mitigation)
• Armor/Resistance bonus decaying with damage thus mitigated
• One-time death prevention up to a capped amount
• One-time death prevention up to a capped duration after a capped amount
• Damage taken over a given duration, up to a capped amount, delayed to be taken as periodic damage over a given duration
• External percentile mitigation
• External attack-dependent percentile mitigation (e.g., greater mitigation against stronger attacks)
• External target-HP-dependent percentile mitigation (e.g., greater mitigation the lower the target ally's HP is, thus tending towards the same eHP regardless of actual HP)
• External attack- and target-HP-dependent percentile mitigation (see previous post)
• Etc., etc.

Each of those can be potency-based (i.e., ultimately dependent on or scaling from some stat like Spell Power) or set at some fixed percentile. Such does not affect what procedures are possible.

At present, XIV has one (1) of those, flat external percentile mitigation. And it has (2) flat shields that act in the same way regardless of damage dynamics or type. That's it, those two concepts alone.

For XIV to make any claims about the what is inevitable to shielding (of any type or procedure), when XIV has barely scratched the surface of its design options, would be disingenuous.

[Rongway]

it'd be better than just sitting on 3 lilies not doing anything whilst you're mindnumbingly spamming a single spell ad infinitum. It'd break the monotony and use a resource that's sitting unused. If that's not acceptable, they offer something different to break the monotony.

Always be casting yes, but if you're in a situation that requires not much healing (which accounts for a lot of situations) you're spamming glare/holy and not your afflatus spells, so those lilies build up and you don't use them because it's just over healing and is a DPS loss.

That's the point.

You cannot have a DPS lily spender if the reward for using lilies is a partial refund of the damage lost by using lilies because then you wouldn't be losing damage by spending lilies so you shouldn't get an action that refunds the damage that you didn't lose in the first place.

If you don't need to spend your lilies on healing, moving, or weaving, just DON'T SPEND THEM.

[Jirah]

Anyone ready for the Healer apocalypse? Where with all 4 they share 1 Spell and 1 dot?

[Vyrerus]

Maybe it's the coding but shields would have tons of uses if they didn't have actual hp potency and only shield potency, but once again the designers stray away from that because a 400 potency shield in content that doesn't hit hard enough creates a balance issue. They also don't want to deal with the intricacies of what it means to have shields not actually have any hp potency.

They won't create shields for healers that aren't paired with a heal/HP value because that's the easiest way for people to understand what they do, and also it helps to keep shielding spells useful even if the timing of the shields were off, i.e. if you throw out Succor too late to block some of the incoming damage, they still get a heal out of it.

To not ascribe any "HP potency" would just make them damage mitigation in line with Sacred Soil or other similar barriers. BLU has a shield spell, Gobskin, that's a 100(250 w/ Healer mimic) potency shield with no heal. But it basically amounts to a Succor that can't be seen. I.E. It's based off of healing potency, and the temp HP you get out of it is based off healing magic potency, and it can even crit without you being able to see it crit lol.

I'd like to see them implement an oGCD shielding spell for SCH and Sage come Endwalker, because if WAR and PLD(sort of) can have those, then why not Zoidberg Healers?

[Vyrerus]

Anyone ready for the Healer apocalypse? Where with all 4 they share 1 Spell and 1 dot?

Yes, honey...

[Saefinn]

That's the point.

You cannot have a DPS lily spender if the reward for using lilies is a partial refund of the damage lost by using lilies because then you wouldn't be losing damage by spending lilies so you shouldn't get an action that refunds the damage that you didn't lose in the first place.

If you don't need to spend your lilies on healing, moving, or weaving, just DON'T SPEND THEM.

But it's an unused resource that could be used to break up that incredibly dull and boring Glare spam that wouldn't be harmful. Scholars do it with Energy Drain instead of sitting on Aetherflow stacks, they were reluctant in letting us have Energy Drain but they tied it's faerie gauge behind aetherflow so there is argument that it needs a dump, but it also shows that it's not harmful having one even if WHM is less dependent on spending their lilies.

It's an option for adding some variety to downtime. Yes it'd mean Afflatus Misery isn't treated as a refund, but it's not like it's the only thing they can do to balance healer DPS and if healer DPS remains balanced enough is it such a bad thing?

[Saefinn]

Anyone ready for the Healer apocalypse? Where with all 4 they share 1 Spell and 1 dot?

I really hope not, healer DPS is dull and uninspiring as it is.

[Laerune]

I really hope not, healer DPS is dull and uninspiring as it is.

Personally, I hope they make it so healers need to heal more or they get buffs that they need to keep up. I too am always casting, but if I wanted to dps, I would have played a dps class. Only reason why I am dpsing as a healer, is because I would be bored.