Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Vahlnir]

I had a PF run where both WHM's went Profane and one of the dps healed with Cure IV because it triggers aoe Bravery with Elder essence. Smooth 0 death run where bosses just melted.

I wish every run was like that, PF or otherwise.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Level 80 Dungeon Roulette: The Twinning

Single targeting RDM and BRD who also insist in firing their loads from the reaches of Narnia. The only AoE stuff they throw is LB2 at last boss. Even then, my regular trust DPS NPCs can help me finish this run faster than these two human players---29m spent as opposed to 25m.

Also when I decided to be nice by moving closer to target manually the RDM, I see [Vercure] on cast. Yeah nope. Heal yourself from now on.

Got another one of those groups in DR where people left due to not having any "healers". The rest of us completed the DR at a relatively quick time, and had no issues so...

I've had some Dal runs like that. Someone flipped out and was whining the whole time that we weren't going to make it when I was healing when I needed to on RDM, other half had healing lost actions and someone else was tanking that wasn't in our party. We made it no problem.

Honestly, I've seen better non healers using essences to heal with than actual healers at times. It is more than doable.

Seen quite a number of runs like these myself.
"CaN aNyBoDy SpArE a HeAlEr FoR oUr PaRtY? wE hAvE nOnE..."

Meanwhile me running as a red job after chugging down savior essences & throwing 48k Cure IIIs and 70k Cure IVs while also outdps'ing 3/4 of other DPSes in my own party & a few times out healing the recruited healer: "Am I a joke to you?"

[Roeshel]

Seen quite a number of runs like these myself.
"CaN aNyBoDy SpArE a HeAlEr FoR oUr PaRtY? wE hAvE nOnE..."

Meanwhile me running as a red job after chugging down savior essences & throwing 48k Cure IIIs and 70k Cure IVs while also outdps'ing 3/4 of other DPSes in my own party & a few times out healing the recruited healer: "Am I a joke to you?"

Your dmg is extremely low if you are using healing actions as dps. So the bosses melting (if they even melted) wasn't a direct result of you being a dps healer. If you are out dpsing 3/4 of the dps players in your own party it means that 3/4 of the dps are not using actions and/or essence.

[Roeshel]

Honestly, I've seen better non healers using essences to heal with than actual healers at times. It is more than doable.

Yes it is doable to complete DR without a healer. It is not efficient though. One healer with ordained essence can sustain the party alone and still deal a great amount of dps if they use chainspell + lost font of magic because they have good synergy with that essence. They can also just use deep essence of the aetherweaver to deal 2x dmg while also being able to sustain. DPS with healing actions can't do that.

[Vahlnir]

Yes it is doable to complete DR without a healer. It is not efficient though. One healer with ordained essence can sustain the party alone and still deal a great amount of dps if they use chainspell + lost font of magic because they have good synergy with that essence. They can also just use deep essence of the aetherweaver to deal 2x dmg while also being able to sustain. DPS with healing actions can't do that.

But the entire point is that it is doable. So...yeah.

[Roeshel]

But the entire point is that it is doable. So...yeah.

Well... DR is doable without any actions and essence as well but ppl complain about that right? So why is it bad to complain about not having a healer?

[SturmChurro]

Well... DR is doable without any actions and essence as well but ppl complain about that right? So why is it bad to complain about not having a healer?

Sure, if we were talking about a premade party. A regular DR queue, you don't know what you are getting. If a player queues for DR, there's a chance there won't be any healers or tanks. For that matter, a lot of the people complaining about "no healer" in DR aren't using essences themselves, almost certainly not using lost actions.

[gotaname1]

Sure, if we were talking about a premade party. A regular DR queue, you don't know what you are getting. If a player queues for DR, there's a chance there won't be any healers or tanks. For that matter, a lot of the people complaining about "no healer" in DR aren't using essences themselves, almost certainly not using lost actions.

100% this. No way to reason/justify otherwise. I had a 8 DPS DRN party yesterday. Me, BLM, just grabbed Cure 4, told so in chat and literally all others left, including the SUM and RDM because we had no healer or ways to rez. Despite me soloing and the entire run being atleast 7 man less, it overall felt smooth and short so.... I dont get why people felt the need to leave if you know how to use essences and actions. You know, the thing that makes the entire bozja content work?

[Roeshel]

100% this. No way to reason/justify otherwise. I had a 8 DPS DRN party yesterday. Me, BLM, just grabbed Cure 4, told so in chat and literally all others left, including the SUM and RDM because we had no healer or ways to rez. Despite me soloing and the entire run being atleast 7 man less, it overall felt smooth and short so.... I dont get why people felt the need to leave if you know how to use essences and actions. You know, the thing that makes the entire bozja content work?

When I go in as dps, I go in to deal damage, not to heal myself. I won't be taking any freaking cure actions just to stay alive and get carried. If I want to heal I take a healer job. When I am dps my slots are used for dps actions. Now do you get why some people are leaving?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Your dmg is extremely low if you are using healing actions as dps. So the bosses melting (if they even melted) wasn't a direct result of you being a dps healer. If you are out dpsing 3/4 of the dps players in your own party it means that 3/4 of the dps are not using actions and/or essence.

Oh, certainly I would only be doing 'average' at best (I reserve 'extremely low' for freestyler/netflix players) without dps essences. My point was that I could sustain the party without grabbing a legit green class & by doing so I would expect people to outperform me at least on damage department in exchange for their sustenance (as is with any legit green jobs). My own dps >>>> 7 other players without Weakness/Brink of Death in most cases. That hypothetical green job player can instead go for Aetherweaver/Profane to maximize their damage. But that doesn't always happen sadly. Funnily enough sometimes I would also stay above from some red jobs on Skirmisher in enmity order list, it's almost baffling especially if I decide to rely on Cure III for the sake of... personal 'challenge'.

I'm just tired of being that WHM that got tankbustered after the MT drops dead for whatever reason lol. Let me have fun with savior essence.

Sure, if we were talking about a premade party. A regular DR queue, you don't know what you are getting. If a player queues for DR, there's a chance there won't be any healers or tanks. For that matter, a lot of the people complaining about "no healer" in DR aren't using essences themselves, almost certainly not using lost actions.

What's even more baffling? That the dev gave us the actual holster near spawn point for us to make use, but people act like they are absolutely in the mercy of "boohoo no tank/healer"-predicament. CLL & Dalriada on the other hand is a little different cause there are no holsters, but why would people even go in unprepared anyway...?