This game doesn't do enough to help people clear Ex/Savage content.

[Dzian]

Yeah it's actually annoying, because people who upload will upload their best runs only, but someone else will upload your worst runs instead, so if you don't upload yourself you're more likely to have shitty logs.

Can always hide your logs. I know some people apparantly say you shouldnt as it apparantly looks bad but honestly mine have been hidden since early heavensward and Ive never had an issue because of it. think its been mentioned by people twice. once cos i did an amazing pld parse on diamond weapon and the guy who uploaded it was curious to see what iwas like on other fights and jobs. the other was so long ago i cant rememeber exactly. but ive never been blocked from a party or anything because they're hidden

But the reality is logs is incredibly innacurate unless you make the effort to upload everything you do.. for example there's 4 diamond parses of me on logs. (1sch 2pld 1sam) yet i've cleared the fight 60 maybe 70 times. and of those 4 parses the sch is the worst which is like 11th percentile. which wasnt the greatest run anyway. if you bothered to click into the info youd see a ton of raises and stuff. but of the 60-70 runs ive done if i said 15 were on scholar and theres only 1 bad parse... so yeah its not accurate. which is why ive hidden my stuff. because i'm not inclined to parse and upload everything i do myself to paint a more accurate picture. but 4 / 70 runs is no where near an accurate sample or representation. andthats just 1 piece of content..

The other issue i have with fflogs generally though is i think it should be opt in to having your info shown not opt out as it currently is. if you havent opted in any parse someone uploads would just say the job instead of the players name.

[Rilifane]

Yeah it's actually annoying, because people who upload will upload their best runs only, but someone else will upload your worst runs instead, so if you don't upload yourself you're more likely to have shitty logs.

That's not true. People usually don't even filter duties which is why you see random expert runs or trial roulettes between savage logs and they certainly don't upload a log because it someone's worst run. If someone really wants to polish their profile, they wouldn't hit DF and only strongly filtered PF ("log runs 90+ & bis only" etc.) so they don't jeopardize their median. Only uploading their best run is something dedicated parsers do but they're rare compared to everyone else doing Ex/ Savage.
If you're not uploading yourself but use DF/ PF somewhat frequently you'll generally get a fairly decent representation of your average performance. Sometimes those are bad runs, sometimes good runs. Some people are more consistent than others but even the most consistent players have some fairly bad logs on their profile - if there is not a single average or below log to be found, they're probably in a very good static and don't PF.
I have tons of logs that were uploaded by others and clearly wasn't a good run for them. They knew it. I even remember some commenting on it. The occasional bad log is fine, escpecially if someone only has a few kills on a boss. Takes a few kills to get into average territory and above, escpecially this late into a tier.
But if someone only has bad logs even after several kills, that might be a red flag.

[Dzian]

That's not true. People usually don't even filter duties which is why you see random expert runs or trial roulettes between savage logs and they certainly don't upload a log because it someone's worst run.

Think the point he was making is that John Smith might have uploaded a parse where John Smith feels like he had an amazing run.... Jim Jones might be in that parse because he was in that party but for jim jones that run wasnt his greatest for whatever reason..

and because Jim doesnt upload his own parses. anyone that tried to search for Jim would only find that bad run he had that John uploaded

[Rilifane]

Think the point he was making is that John Smith might have uploaded a parse where John Smith feels like he had an amazing run.... Jim Jones might be in that parse because he was in that party but for jim jones that run wasnt his greatest for whatever reason..

and because Jim doesnt upload his own parses. anyone that tried to search for Jim would only find that bad run he had that John uploaded

And if he only has one parse on a boss, people will naturally assume it was likely his first/ only kill and don't even raise an eyebrow at a bad parse, yes.
Interestingly enough, it goes both ways: someone has a stellar run with all the luck in the world and only that one gets uploaded because someone else was also good while they're usually below that level. But that never gets mentioned, somehow it's always "I just look bad because others only upload their good runs where I look bad" and that's not how it works.
The majority of people simply uploads everything without filtering at all.

I know exactly what point he was trying to make.
But either someone is somewhat active in that type of content, then they'll get more parses and a representative median in no time or they're not, then it doesn't matter.

[Lanadra]

Can always hide your logs. I know some people apparantly say you shouldnt as it apparantly looks bad but honestly mine have been hidden since early heavensward and Ive never had an issue because of it. think its been mentioned by people twice. once cos i did an amazing pld parse on diamond weapon and the guy who uploaded it was curious to see what iwas like on other fights and jobs. the other was so long ago i cant rememeber exactly. but ive never been blocked from a party or anything because they're hidden

But the reality is logs is incredibly innacurate unless you make the effort to upload everything you do.. for example there's 4 diamond parses of me on logs. (1sch 2pld 1sam) yet i've cleared the fight 60 maybe 70 times. and of those 4 parses the sch is the worst which is like 11th percentile. which wasnt the greatest run anyway. if you bothered to click into the info youd see a ton of raises and stuff. but of the 60-70 runs ive done if i said 15 were on scholar and theres only 1 bad parse... so yeah its not accurate. which is why ive hidden my stuff. because i'm not inclined to parse and upload everything i do myself to paint a more accurate picture. but 4 / 70 runs is no where near an accurate sample or representation. andthats just 1 piece of content..

The other issue i have with fflogs generally though is i think it should be opt in to having your info shown not opt out as it currently is. if you havent opted in any parse someone uploads would just say the job instead of the players name.

It's what I do. I don't engage in content that parsers are generally regarded as 'necessary' in. Nor do I actively engage with fflogs myself. So the only thing on there about me are a few parses others have done when I went through Eden Normal. I have no reason to let a trace of me stand and be public on a site like fflogs when I have neither the inclination or desire to deal with parsers myself. Which as others, you included, have stated is pretty much the only way of ensuring whatever is on there about you is balanced.

[Caitsithhh]

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I'm getting sick of seeing it everywhere.

How am I supposed to clear these things when no one will help me finish them in the first place? On the rare occasion that I find a party that doesn't pull this crap, they kick me out after two attempts because "YOU DIDN'T FINISH THE FIGHT!?"

Please don't tell me to set [Practice]. 8 people throwing themselves miserably at a fight and breaking up after 10 minutes doesn't help anything.

Squeenix needs to do something about this instead of making me wait until two expansions later to actually finish the content.

Go figure you’re gonna have to work tirelessly on the hardest content when it’s new....

They’re not doing anything for savage and ultimate(they’ve kinda figured the way to scale that). Now extreme is kinda hit or miss in difficultly.

You should strive to do this content when new or if you are forced to wait then you’re waiting awhile. Like expansion or two later while. Ultimate you’ll never ever clear with that attitude so forget about it.

There’s plenty of resources out there for putting parties together late in to the tier. But it’s going to be 7 other ppl like yourself....just with better gear(which no gear will get you through mechanics you feel you don’t have time to learn).

[Dzian]

I know exactly what point he was trying to make.
But either someone is somewhat active in that type of content, then they'll get more parses and a representative median in no time or they're not, then it doesn't matter.

not necessarily as i stated in my earlier post. there's 4 parses uploaded of myself in diamond weapon fights. and ive done 60-70 runs. traded in 4 or 5 weapons and sitting on 90 totems for the mount. I think its safe to say i'm "somewhat active" in that content yet 4 parses is defintely not a representitive median.

[Caitsithhh]

not necessarily as i stated in my earlier post. there's 4 parses uploaded of myself in diamond weapon fights. and ive done 60-70 runs. traded in 4 or 5 weapons and sitting on 90 totems for the mount. I think its safe to say i'm "somewhat active" in that content yet 4 parses is defintely not a representitive median.

Don’t get too carried away. Diamond weapon is probably the easiest ex this expac on release.

[Tlamila]

Gee people are so bitter. All I said is that people who run ACT and upload parses will generally have a better outlook than those who don't, so actually parsing goes in your favour, fflogs-wise.
Where did I ever say people upload your bad runs on purpose cause you were bad in them or something?
And Dzian has a point too, outside of savage not that many parse so you may only have a bunch of logs uploaded.
I was also not defending the OP or saying non-savage logs are important so...uh? I was just agreeing with the post I quoted.

[Rilifane]

not necessarily as i stated in my earlier post. there's 4 parses uploaded of myself in diamond weapon fights. and ive done 60-70 runs. traded in 4 or 5 weapons and sitting on 90 totems for the mount. I think its safe to say i'm "somewhat active" in that content yet 4 parses is defintely not a representitive median.

Fair point in your case, though that's definitely an outlier.
What irks me is that people keep using it as an excuse and others immediately jump on the bandwagon of "I'm actually really good, there was just this one bad run and of course it was the only one to ever get uploaded...!". If someone is good or even decent but don't parse on their own, chances are that their profile will reflect this. Because if someone is generally decent, most of their runs will generally be decent aswell. How high are the chances that you'd usually be in the 50ish area but that one time you died 3 times to something dumb and made it to single digit grey land was uploaded but nothing else?
The chances are really low but it is always used as an argument to excuse a not-so-nice looking profile as if it's a given, like OP already did in the past and many others aswell. It works the other way around, too. Chances are low for that to happen? So they are for both cases.
Bad logs are fine, we all have them. They can still happen after a 100 clears. But if someone has several clears but only really bad logs, the chances a re much higher for this person to be actually bad in this fight instead of having bad upload luck.

Gee people are so bitter. All I said is that people who run ACT and upload parses will generally have a better outlook than those who don't, so actually parsing goes in your favour, fflogs-wise.
Where did I ever say people upload your bad runs on purpose cause you were bad in them or something?
And Dzian has a point too, outside of savage not that many parse so you may only have a bunch of logs uploaded.
I was also not defending the OP or saying non-savage logs are important so...uh? I was just agreeing with the post I quoted.

Just because some disagrees with you doesn't mean they're bitter.

Of course it's good to have the option of parsing yourself. If nothing else, it allows you to plug it into xiva and get an in-depths analysis. Having more tools available is better than having less, at least when you're even remotely interested in improving or even checking how you're doing. Being reliant on others for such things is a big downside to this whole unofficial parsing being a grey area. You could use it to manipulate your profile, some do it. But honestly? Not nearly as many as people think. The most common profile is a healthy mix of everything.