6.0 Story Speculations

[Vyrerus]

*takes out list of remaining Ascians*
Pashtarot, Knight-Star, counterpart to Zeromus The Condemner.
Halmarut, The Arbiter, counterpart to Exodus The Judge-Sal.
Deudalaphon, The Benevolent, counterpart to Adrammelech The Wroth.
Ultima the High Seraph, Ascian name being Altima after her original mistranslated name in FFT.

There's... just enough of them, actually. I previously mentioned thinking (and fearing) our remaining Ascians will be glorified dungeon bosses; and considering who they're the counterparts of, I'm very intrigued about their roles in EW, ESPECIALLY Altima...

Just imagine like Hades in his big yoshi form mixed with some of these:

[Anonymoose]

Puts another coin in the “pls Yoshi adjust the cutscenes” fund.

As much as I hate subtraction retcons and celebrate SE's use of addition retcons (aka good writing), this might be a Nael van Darnus situation; things are so out of hand the pros outweigh the cons as pertains to getting a little iron-fisty with the lore for a minute, lol.

[EaraGrace]

As much as I hate subtraction retcons and celebrate SE's use of addition retcons (aka good writing), this might be a Nael van Darnus situation; things are so out of hand the pros outweigh the cons as pertains to getting a little iron-fisty with the lore for a minute, lol.

Insert lore book line that can be summed up as “Elidibus forgot Ascians could be killed by 2.5 after raising one in 2.3 and Lahabreas body switching and scenery chewing made him too crazy to have a logical reaction.”

Honestly, if they really wanted to address it perhaps Pandemonium might be a good time, especially if we get some interesting lore revelations on Lahabrea.

[Vyrerus]

As far as Emmerololth goes, I would posit that in Galuf's memo it states that they first set the Isle of Val to drown in the Lifestream, and then gave the evacuation order. After that they combined forces to beat Emmerololth, also using the Lifestream. I always sorta took this vague rendition of, "Yeah, then we beat an Ascian while drowning out home in the Lifestream." as a sort of, "Yeah, we beat her by jettisoning her into the stream."

Either way, island disappears, and Emmerololth doesn't come back, but is then there in the post Ramuh scene. I'm sure Moose has gone over it all with a fine toothed comb many a time, but I can't help but wonder if the Emmerololth in the 2.3 scene is a lady or not. I'd also wager that the Ascians chocked having to raise another Emmerololth up to, "Yeah, ain't nobody live through getting trapped in the Lifestream without aid (except plot armored cat girls, of course)."

Also I always took the Ascian's surprise at us killing Nabriales as more of a surprise that, "Oh hey, they killed one of us with their own power. That is doing me a concern!" Rather than, you know, killing them by getting them to walk off a cliff, so to speak.

[Tensaihime]

Either way, island disappears, and Emmerololth doesn't come back, but is then there in the post Ramuh scene. I'm sure Moose has gone over it all with a fine toothed comb many a time, but I can't help but wonder if the Emmerololth in the 2.3 scene is a lady or not. I'd also wager that the Ascians chocked having to raise another Emmerololth up to, "Yeah, ain't nobody live through getting trapped in the Lifestream without aid (except plot armored cat girls, of course)."

You make a good point, but that last bit got me howling.

[GoldStarz]

At this point it's a race to respond to the CLEAN-UP ON AISLE 2.3 page.

On one hand you've got the explicit phrase "consigning her essence to be scattered within that raging torrent of aether, never again to reform." Val was confirmed destroyed by 2.2, and Emmerololth was in 2.3. There are ways to make sense of that IN-WORLD (Oh, another shard was re-risen very very quickly.) but the most sensible explanation OUT-OF-WORLD is that the writer of Eureka forgot one or both of those plot point positions, and also perhaps that Elidibus and Lahabrea were SHOCKED an Ascian could be ganked in 2.5 (which is already weird alongside Emet-Selch mentioning how many times he's overseen "changes of the guard"). So there's a lot to clean up there, not the least of which the matter of, if they go the route of Emmerololth being re-risen, why not Nabriales? Why not Igeyorhm? Why not rush another Mitron and Loghrif out that the ones in Eden didn't know about? Tried to get an extra Ascian off the board and possibly resurrected most of them! WHOOPS.

Other than that, we've got Pashtarot, Halmarut, Deudalaphon and Altima in the wind. Fandaniel in our face. Two unexplained masks on Gaius's belt. And two extra overlords who shouldn't exist in the 2.0/2.3 scenes.

Clearly what actually happened here is while they were re-setting up the Convocation, someone fricked up so now we have two Emmeroloth and two [insert sundered Ascian of your choosing].

[KageTokage]

I doubt the remaining Ascians would actually support what Fandaniel is doing.

If Lahabrea really is still alive in some capacity, I expect them to show up in Pandemonium so they can all be conveniently dealt with in one fell swoop as he's the closest thing to a leader they have left to rally under.

6.x was mentioned as being the end of the Ascian story, so I think they're more likely wrap up their role entirely by the end of the patch cycle then have them continue to be a catalyst for future storylines.

[BlitzAceRush]

Unless they intend to keep one or two of the lessers around, as without the unsundered they're not major threats for future one of plot line shenanigans, then KageTokage is likely right, they'll either all be in Pandemonium with Lahabrea, if that ends up being a "He's back" thing and not some other means we interact with him, or we might just find out that Zenos and Fandaniel got to them and they've been twisted into monstrosities and they'll be dungeon/trial/solo/some already just killed off. I mean those two (mostly Zenos) pretty much axed Garlemald off screen as a main antagonist to clear the way from the finally, wouldn't be surprised to learn they've done the some to the Ascians.

[Anonymoose]

“Elidibus forgot Ascians could be killed <snip> and Lahabreas body switching and scenery chewing made him too crazy

OH I HATE THIS LOL. (A+ for playing the hand you're dealt, tho.)

Honestly, if they really wanted to address it perhaps Pandemonium might be a good time

Yes. I have very strong suspicions that the entire point of Pandaemonium is to not only clean up a few loose ends, but to reverse Lahabrea's villain decay. What he was has been redefined since he ceased to be that thing, so we have to find a way to add some addendums that help him feel on-par with Emet-Selch and Elidibus as much as we're told he was. I'm expecting a wild, and probably at least partially sad (in a "We definitely had to kill him. Tragic life, tho, bro." kind of way), ride.

I doubt the remaining Ascians would actually support what Fandaniel is doing.

I think that's almost guaranteed. Even if Fandaniel's master plan were actually to recreate the Final Days to empower Zodiark by giving Him back His purpose, only to enable him to eat everything and start over; a new Genesis in his image, a Kingdom worthy of His Dark Radiance or whatever, something any tempered mook like Nabriales could get on board with, why would any of the others agree with letting that dramatic nitwit sit at Zodiark's right hand when it could be them? Nabriales hated that Lahabrea was going to look good in front of Zodiark, lol.

The biggest twist for me would be if they were all in on it.

[Vyrerus]

The biggest twist for me would be if they were all in on it.

Would it really be a twist though? After all, not all of the convocation were Nabriales, and are supposed to be individuals. You'd think we'd have seen a lot more gambits like Nabriales's given how often we weren't at the Rising Stones afterwards if they were all horny to prove themselves/be the biggest bad for Zodiark. Perhaps there's a reason for why there are still Convocation members left alive. Perhaps more of them than we know weren't full of fervor and ready to die trying to accelerate Zodiark's return. Perhaps even less so now. It could be that our victory over Emet-selch and Elidibus drove them to doubt their implanted memories, however accurately they resonate with them, such that even those tempered find gentler solace in Fandaniel's insanity.

I've rewatched the post Ramuh scene with the Convocation, and I'm quite curious about this seemingly dropped line, "All that remains is to nurture the strength of the gifted... to forge the final key."

What the heck does that even mean? What is the final key? Who are the gifted to be nurtured? @,@ We're never gonna know now, are we?