Thread: 6.0 Story Speculations

Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

I'm disinclined to believe Fandaniel was some secret death cultist all along, for one particular reason. Specifically, the rest of the Convocation had access to his memory stone for 12,000 years. Given the abilities Mitron had on display during Eden's Promise, I can't imagine it would be difficult for the likes of Emet-Selch to sort through Fandaniel's memories in a similar fashion. He wouldn't even have to suspect Fandaniel of being a traitor to do so—simply peering through them to make sure they're actually his memories would be a decent enough reason. It'd be nearly impossible for Fandaniel to actually hide his affiliations if that were the case, and that in turn would leave me wondering why they bothered to ascend him to begin with.

I mean, there's hubris and then there's "we knowingly raised up a man who had been plotting the downfall of our entire world because we thought a stern lecture or two would keep him from doing it again".

Well as Erendis pointed out above, the crystals were made from the memories of the unsundered, and if the unsundured didn't know what Fanny Danny was up to in his spare time, they wouldn't reflect the death cult parties. For all we know, Danny put on a facade when around the other convocation members.

I feel I should elaborate. The point in contention is not the source of the memories, but rather the idea that Fandaniel's desire to end the world predated the original Final Days and that he was part of a Lambs of Dalamud-esque cult that infiltrated the Convocation or something. It doesn't matter if the memories in the stone are Fandaniel's or the Unsundered's. What matters is that the Unsundered are aware of the contents of the stone. If they are, and if said memories clearly identify Fandaniel as being a traitor, they would have no reason to keep those memories or raise him up with them. And if such memories don't exist in the stone, then why would the current Fandaniel inherit the desire to end the world from his past self?

I get that folks want there to be some big twist, but I think the writers can do a lot better than this.

Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

I feel I should elaborate. The point in contention is not the source of the memories, but rather the idea that Fandaniel's desire to end the world predated the original Final Days and that he was part of a Lambs of Dalamud-esque cult that infiltrated the Convocation or something. It doesn't matter if the memories in the stone are Fandaniel's or the Unsundered's. What matters is that the Unsundered are aware of the contents of the stone. If they are, and if said memories clearly identify Fandaniel as being a traitor, they would have no reason to keep those memories or raise him up with them. And if such memories don't exist in the stone, then why would the current Fandaniel inherit the desire to end the world from his past self?

I get that folks want there to be some big twist, but I think the writers can do a lot better than this.

The thing is, we don't exactly know in what way the stones "ascend" the Ascians into the people they once were. It's my belief that while the memories within the crystals are from the Unsundered, the purpose of those memories isn't to be transferred directly to the sundered, but rather used as the catalyst that awakens their own memories. Kind of a much more advanced version of the starshower triggering bygone memories of the Final Days and awakening the Echo in people.

If that were the case, it would then be possible for Fandaniel to have memories that the Unsundered were never aware of.

Originally Posted by Cilia

On the other hand, Emet-Selch does say that while they prefer to ascend reincarnated fragments of the Convocation's souls because, having been tempered in the past, they make the truest servants of Zodiark, it is possible to ascend completely unrelated people... which I strongly suspect has something to do with Danny Boy's madness, but we'll see.

I'm not sure the madness is the thing we need to be focused on. Yoshi-p did say at the announcement showcase that Fandaniel has a secret which is essential to the plot of 6.0. Until we know that secret we really can't question if he is mad or not.

So what is Fandaniel's "secret"?

Originally Posted by Kesey

I'm not sure the madness is the thing we need to be focused on. Yoshi-p did say at the announcement showcase that Fandaniel has a secret which is essential to the plot of 6.0. Until we know that secret we really can't question if he is mad or not.

So what is Fandaniel's "secret"?

I would assume the secret is that he's Tempered by the Sound itself. Considering in the lore of this world, the strongest will can control others and corrupt them, then the Sound should be no different. Which would also explain how it made the ancients go mad and lose control of their creation magic, it was literally corrupting them with its will.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I would assume the secret is that he's Tempered by the Sound itself. Considering in the lore of this world, the strongest will can control others and corrupt them, then the Sound should be no different. Which would also explain how it made the ancients go mad and lose control of their creation magic, it was literally corrupting them with its will.

I'm not sure that makes sense because the original Fandaniel would have been tempered to Zodiark. And because he was in the convocation, sitting deep in Amaurot would have been introduced to Zodiark before the Sound.

Originally Posted by Kesey

I'm not sure that makes sense because the original Fandaniel would have been tempered to Zodiark. And because he was in the convocation, sitting deep in Amaurot would have been introduced to Zodiark before the Sound.

I would think it depends on how strong the Sound's will is compared to Zodiark's. Remember, Phoenix (a primal) was being controlled by Bahamut (a primal) until it was let go, and Ryne (echo user) lost control to Shiva (a primal) when summoning her. The stronger of the wills is the one in control, always.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I would think it depends on how strong the Sound's will is compared to Zodiark's. Remember, Phoenix (a primal) was being controlled by Bahamut (a primal) until it was let go, and Ryne (echo user) lost control to Shiva (a primal) when summoning her. The stronger of the wills is the one in control, always.

Ryne doesn't have the echo. She has the Oracle of Light powers which she inherited from Minfilia, but did not get her echo (hence why she lost control, unlike Lady Iceheart who could control the power).

Originally Posted by Kesey

I'm not sure that makes sense because the original Fandaniel would have been tempered to Zodiark. And because he was in the convocation, sitting deep in Amaurot would have been introduced to Zodiark before the Sound.

Zodiark only exists because the source of the Sound existed though, so I don't see how that makes sense. Fandaniel would have been tempered before Zodiark was even summoned.