Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[Raikai]

I understand that many hats are difficult to work for Viera because of the long upwards ears that sit on top of the head... and Hrothgar due to the weird facial shape. But that's defnitely not the case with a number of items.

Hoods, for example, they are pretty much flat on top, to the point that some even work for Viera:


And if you look closely, they literally just let the ears clip through, there aren't actual holes or anything, and it doesn't look bad.

This same effect, which appears to be a mesh visibility toggle, could easily happen in - many - older items as well, such as:


This example, however is nighly impossible to be adapted:


The Viera ears' base would clip through the hat's edge no matter how you positioned it, and adding holes to this hat would make it extremely weird, as it's a tiny tophat.

Point is (in Viera's case) even knowing there a lot of hats would be impossible to workaround the ears, there are still a good portion of items that can potentially work with little effort.

My take also is, if they had to choose, I suppose they could make at least the Job artifact armor work, since those are basically the most iconic items we get to have ingame.

[Akimori]

Renik posted part of an interview on the previous page where someone actually did ask about the hrothgar fantasia issue.

The answer is a little vague as to what specific parts of the question he's answering, but someone did finally ask. (or they finally chose to answer)

Yea, I saw that almost immediately after posting, but I had to commit hkdslbgfhjklsdfds

But for real....I love that it was asked, but like you said, the answer seemed a little vague at best....almost like there wasn't a real answer, but I am happy hes aware of it and hopes he does something about it in the future

[Yencat]

Yea, I saw that almost immediately after posting, but I had to commit hkdslbgfhjklsdfds

But for real....I love that it was asked, but like you said, the answer seemed a little vague at best....almost like there wasn't a real answer, but I am happy hes aware of it and hopes he does something about it in the future

This is the second or third interview in a week or so where suddenly viera and hrothgar's lack of customization options comes up, it's almost a bit too coincidental?

I'm just as annoyed as everyone else is at how long it has taken but he's no fool, people must have been asking about this all along and he could've just as easily kept quiet about it like he'd been doing all this time, the fact that he's suddenly talking means something is happening.

I'm not getting too excited just yet because we'll have to see what exactly it is and to what extent it fixes the more glaring issues with the races, but the fact he's suddenly willing to talk about it makes me a little bit more hopeful than I have been so far at least.

[Akimori]

This is the second or third interview in a week or so where suddenly viera and hrothgar's lack of customization options comes up, it's almost a bit too coincidental?

I'm just as annoyed as everyone else is at how long it has taken but he's no fool, people must have been asking about this all along and he could've just as easily kept quiet about it like he'd been doing all this time, the fact that he's suddenly talking means something is happening.

I'm not getting too excited just yet because we'll have to see what exactly it is and to what extent it fixes the more glaring issues with the races, but the fact he's suddenly willing to talk about it makes me a little bit more hopeful than I have been so far at least.

It is too much of a coincidence that after two years, we initially received "please look forward to it" and then radio silence, and then with EW literally around the corner, he seems to not be able to stop talking about it. Maybe they were able to make some breakthroughs with their current system and how it could work for Viera and Hrothgar.The more giddy side of me is agreeing whole-heartedly because maybe we'll get a pleasant surprise alongside bun boys in EW...if anything that stuff would probs be released with the benchmark so people can test it and what not first (which given its history off the benchmark release date; it'll probs be sometime between Mid and late October).

I should know better than to get my hopes up especially considering one false move can set yoshi and his team's hardwork behind in the blink of an eye, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't at least a little excited. Hopefully we'll get some info on the next LftPL or even during the media tour

[Yencat]

It is too much of a coincidence that after two years, we initially received "please look forward to it" and then radio silence, and then with EW literally around the corner, he seems to not be able to stop talking about it. Maybe they were able to make some breakthroughs with their current system and how it could work for Viera and Hrothgar.The more giddy side of me is agreeing whole-heartedly because maybe we'll get a pleasant surprise alongside bun boys in EW...if anything that stuff would probs be released with the benchmark so people can test it and what not first (which given its history off the benchmark release date; it'll probs be sometime between Mid and late October).

I should know better than to get my hopes up especially considering one false move can set yoshi and his team's hardwork behind in the blink of an eye, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't at least a little excited. Hopefully we'll get some info on the next LftPL or even during the media tour

I wish he'd been this communicative about it from the start as it would have saved a lot of annoyance, but I guess that's just the nature of game development.

I think after being pretty pissed off and bitter about it for 2 years I'm going to allow myself to get at least a little excited now that we finally have something a tiny bit more substantial to go on.

[Akimori]

I wish he'd been this communicative about it from the start as it would have saved a lot of annoyance, but I guess that's just the nature of game development.

I think after being pretty pissed off and bitter about it for 2 years I'm going to allow myself to get at least a little excited now that we finally have something a tiny bit more substantial to go on.

As someone whoagrees with you 100%, Im also the type of person who has the (stupid) tendency to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, I kind of look at it as he didn't want to say something that might never show up....doesn't excuse the racial specific hairstyles tho as that should have never been an issue in the first place for V/H since..y'know...its specifically designed *FOR THEM*

[Amnmaat]

Exactly, we want the new stuff or the equivalent to the new stuff for at least our artifact gear. Make it appear differently if neccessary. If we cant wear a red mage hat with a huge feather then turn it into a tiara with a feather then Idk. Or make the ears disappear under it so it at least is visible.
There are things that we should get or that should be designed with ALL races in mind:
Artifact gear
Mogstation hairs/hats

I went back to viera a few weeks ago and Im already bored. I love her but damn I am tired of the 8 hairstyles already. There is also the fact that alot of hairstyles change with hats on, the new "both ways" has only the cute strands appear if you wear a hat, vieras suffer more in that sense that the hair doesnt change at all. It is like wearing the same hat always. Viera hair is a permanent hat. We have 8 "hats" that have to fit with all gear ingame. Just imagine only having 8 hats and being forced to always use one of them with whatever gear you pick. *eyes fantasia*

I agree, If a hat clips the ear in a way that's ridiculous just hide the ears, we've seen it done before. The vast of majority of hats don't clip the ears though so they should be able to add them without problems.

[LuciaMirain]

I understand that many hats are difficult to work for Viera because of the long upwards ears that sit on top of the head... and Hrothgar due to the weird facial shape. But that's defnitely not the case with a number of items.

Hoods, for example, they are pretty much flat on top, to the point that some even work for Viera:


And if you look closely, they literally just let the ears clip through, there aren't actual holes or anything, and it doesn't look bad.

This same effect, which appears to be a mesh visibility toggle, could easily happen in - many - older items as well, such as:


This example, however is nighly impossible to be adapted:


The Viera ears' base would clip through the hat's edge no matter how you positioned it, and adding holes to this hat would make it extremely weird, as it's a tiny tophat.

Point is (in Viera's case) even knowing there a lot of hats would be impossible to workaround the ears, there are still a good portion of items that can potentially work with little effort.

My take also is, if they had to choose, I suppose they could make at least the Job artifact armor work, since those are basically the most iconic items we get to have ingame.

I have seen how the mod that lets vieras ears clip through and yes, it would be fine with all veils, hoods, turbans. The issue would be the hairclipping through some of them, that definitely needs to be adjusted, which some modders did and then they looked just fine. As it is now, the hoods that do work basically replace the hair which looks fine but I wouldve loved it if the ones that do show hair worked too
https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/g...d-dancing-hood (viera) (bozja hood, no hair)
https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/g.../desert-dancer (viera) (nier hood, no hair)
https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/g.../dark-wanderer (au ra) (star velvet hood that allows hair)

[Ranhansha]

It really doesn't seem like he understands exactly what the problem is that the player base has with Viera/Hrothgar hairstyles and headgear. It's not that we want everything other races are getting, though that'd be nice. I guess we would want that, but I also think that there has been an acceptance that they would not be getting everything other races do. The issue is that they have not been given all the unique customizations they said we would be getting. This response shows that he's a bit out of touch in this regard. It's not that he doesn't care, and I fully believe that he does, but perhaps the information he is getting from us isn't getting translated as accurately as it should be. Wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last. Sometimes he is genuinely surprised when he hears certain requests, even though we've been asking for them all along. I think that failure is the result of either poor translation or a complete lack thereof somewhere along the way.

He has been getting wrong translations for 2 years from every source? Weird... I feel this has never been top of the list. After all, M-Vieras were developed in their "free-time" so one can only imagine the importance they give to hairstyles, hats and the extra money you pay them for the hairstyles that come with the dress on the Mogstation.

[BiddyBatnana]

https://gamerescape.com/2021/06/07/f...ctors-edition/

"Naoki Yoshida: For both the Viera and Hrothgar, there were certain characteristics we wanted to emphasize in their design—the long ears of the Viera and beast-like features of the Hrothgar. Due to this, there was a limit to the range of customization, and we worked with these conditions when creating these races. If we wanted to make these features more customizable, we’d have to sacrifice those unique features, so it would be great if everyone could understand that at a fundamental level, it is not simply a matter of whether or not we make adjustments to accommodate this.

I have mentioned this on several occasions, but I understand why players request this—I really do. In an effort to accommodate this, even if just a little bit, we have continued to spend a lot of time assessing possible changes in structural design of the models, as well as potential additions to our current workflow. Even as I write this, I just met with the team to get an update on their testing status for this. We may not be able to get them to be exactly the same as the other playable races, but I hope to be able to give you some kind of update soon, including the status on the stubble for Hyur as you asked about previously, so your patience on the matter is greatly appreciated!"

Well..