Endwalker Exploration Zones

[Burningskull]

Should we receive exploration zones again in Endwalker. Please take some things into consideration

1: Don't make the area so large that by the time you get to a fate in just one zone of the map the fate is 80-90% dead and players are unable to get credit for it.

2: If you are going to do buffs post level cap again maybe make it so they only apply to the instanced content like Castrum Lacis Latore, Dalriada, and Delubrum Regane. This would also help fates not die so fast.

3: Don't make lost actions required for winning or even just doing things in a reasonable amount of time, or surviving certain engagements. Consider them as just a bonus that makes things better if you have them or...

4: Make Lost Actions, or whatever you call them next time, a one and done thing. Meaning once you have that skill or item you never have to go find it again once you have used it up. Just make them have cool downs, or be a once per zone thing or a until you die thing.

5: The saying is three strikes and you are out. So maybe instead of instant death after getting hit twice you could up that to three times. Two is very low especially when going into something for the first time.

[TheVigilant]

1: Don't make the area so large that by the time you get to a fate in just one zone of the map the fate is 80-90% dead and players are unable to get credit for it.

Or maybe they can just position the fate locations closer to the aetherytes or to each other, without us losing the beauty of vast open world zones.

[Raskbuck]

without us losing the beauty of vast open world zones.

Have you seen Bozja? It's brown. Just brown all around.

[Imora]

Or they can take borrowed power and shove it....

I'm just salty. I hate borrowed power. Blizzard's been doing it since Legion and it's nothing but an unmitigated disaster. Abilities and stuff that only work for one expansion. It's garbage.

[TheVigilant]

Have you seen Bozja? It's brown. Just brown all around.

I have also seen all the zones of ARR, Heavensward, Stormblood and I looked at all of Shadowbringers before looking at just Bozja.
What I meant is there is a beauty to the open world being vast in an MMORPG, especially if there is something to explore it for.

[RyuDragnier]

Have you seen Bozja? It's brown. Just brown all around.

It's also a warzone. When's the last time you saw a warzone that was anything but brown?

[Raskbuck]

I have also seen all the zones of ARR, Heavensward, Stormblood and I looked at all of Shadowbringers before looking at just Bozja.
What I meant is there is a beauty to the open world being vast in an MMORPG, especially if there is something to explore it for.

Just to clarify, OP is talking about the Field Operations maps (aka Eureka and Bozja), and not the rest of the zones.

It's also a warzone. When's the last time you saw a warzone that was anything but brown?

I was replying to their statement of "beauty of vast open world zones." I never implied warzones were supposed to be pretty.

[Jojoya]

3: Don't make lost actions required for winning or even just doing things in a reasonable amount of time, or surviving certain engagements. Consider them as just a bonus that makes things better if you have them or...

If the content were balanced around not having Lost Actions, then that would unbalance the content even more when some have them and some don't. It would be a repeat of "I missed out because it was dead before I could get there ".

Either the content needs to be balanced around the existence of Lost Actions, or Lost Actions would need to be removed altogether. Remove the Lost Actions, and you remove what makes the content more interesting than normal FATEs to many players.

Or they can take borrowed power and shove it....

I'm just salty. I hate borrowed power. Blizzard's been doing it since Legion and it's nothing but an unmitigated disaster. Abilities and stuff that only work for one expansion. It's garbage.

The Lost Action system isn't a borrowed power system, though. Lost Actions are consumable buffs. They'll still be available for you to use in Bozja/Zadnor next expansion if you go back to level up new jobs or farm relics you don't obtain this expansion.

But I do agree that borrowed power systems like those in WoW are terrible. No point in putting in all that effort if the reward is going to be permanently taken away from you at expansion's end.

[Genz]

Don't make instanced, gimmicky, exploration zones ; just make interesting things in the open world areas for starter...

5: The saying is three strikes and you are out. So maybe instead of instant death after getting hit twice you could up that to three times. Two is very low especially when going into something for the first time.

Yeah, and since it's important, it would have a specific UI element so we can easily track if we're losing or not.
But 2 or 3 is a little constricted, so the number should be bigger, for more granularity.
It would allows a lot of things, like skills that restore this number, or make it decrease slower. We could even be crazy and say some jobs are dedicated to this.

It just needs a name now...

[Burningskull]

If the content were balanced around not having Lost Actions, then that would unbalance the content even more when some have them and some don't. It would be a repeat of "I missed out because it was dead before I could get there ".

Either the content needs to be balanced around the existence of Lost Actions, or Lost Actions would need to be removed altogether. Remove the Lost Actions, and you remove what makes the content more interesting than normal FATEs to many players.


The Lost Action system isn't a borrowed power system, though. Lost Actions are consumable buffs. They'll still be available for you to use in Bozja/Zadnor next expansion if you go back to level up new jobs or farm relics you don't obtain this expansion.

But I do agree that borrowed power systems like those in WoW are terrible. No point in putting in all that effort if the reward is going to be permanently taken away from you at expansion's end.

Which is exactly why I think Lost Actions should be a one and done thing. Once you have it you have it forever. No need to go and farm more of them that people are either unwilling, myself included, or unable, don't have the time for, to go out and do nothing but farm items that may or may not give the Lost Action they need. How many people farming DR for relics say they ran out of Essences long ago. They have no reason or desire to go back to Southern Front or Zadnor to try and get more of these essences that "may" drop from w/e drops them that then "may" contain the item they need. RNG is fine in some things but layers upon layers of it is just maddening.

And yes I get this is content meant to last for the next 6 months. But the devs should know by now people are not going to go farm hours to get Essences just to farm other content. They are just going to farm that content and have it take longer for everyone. (I include my self in this.) Essences are just one example btw.