Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[zeylos]

Doesn't Japan have like one of the highest life expectancy in the world?
If so, they might not meassure "soon" like we do.

/joking

actually, as far as I'm aware, Japan does have a conception of time where they usually are a lot more patient and dont mind waiting for longer, so I guess that for them 2 years is probably 'soon' while for us 6 months already feels like an eternity away, although I mean, videogame companies started the SoonTM meme as far as I'm aware so it's most likely SoonTM with hairstyles, hats etc as well which is far from perfect but something I can live with.

[zeylos]

well, thats why I stated "whenever" and with the recent interview, it seems they want to implement all hairs, but this system is a roadblock, so I at least thought it would be at least another 2 years before t he fabled graphics update

There is I think a big misconception with this ugprade: As far as I recall they talked about upgrading textures.
Upgrading textures probably guarantees nothing in regards to character creation or any other system as far as I understand, where as many ppl seem to think that it will magically mean we will get BDO creation and plenty of new races added, which would need some massive engine rework to be even remotely 'plausible' (not to mention that the CC system is hard to do, and the way its incrusted into the core of the game, it is likely hard to touch without messing it up badly, which is why I find it unrealistic to expect a massive CC and game rework in 7.0 like many seem to be speculating.

[Iscah]

I refuse to believe a company like SE doesnt have the resources to then add a program that works to transfer the hairstyles if their current ones do not work.

That's exactly my point. You said you think they "they just don't want to, not that they can't" - implying that you think they could but they can't be bothered.

I think it's the other way around. They surely have the resources to do it if it were just a matter of paying someone to modify the hairstyles as part of the standard work of releasing new hairstyles for all races equally.

THEREFORE, the fact that they don't do this suggests to me that there is a deeper problem. Something with how they get hairstyles or how other races unlock new hairstyles might not be compatible, somehow?

If it was just resources, I don't know why they'd decide not to spend them.

That makes me think that it's not a matter of them wanting to, but that for some reason they can't.

[SturmChurro]

You should see this one twitter artist's renditions of Fem Hroth...they are BEAUTIFUL T_T

fan rendition of the *REAL*& Queen Gunnhildr
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please make hrothgirls look like actual female animals and not that digusting trope of giving them the animal face, but human eyes and lips


ew ew ew ew ew

I can appreciate that some people quite enjoy truly 'beast' races, and female hrothgar (ronso) in particular, I still do not think it's worth the resources spent at anytime in the near future, at least with how tight resources are seemingly made to sound during interviews.

Look, I humored the inclusion of both male viera and female hrothgar, for a good while even, but when things seem to actually be getting cut, or pushed back, for a novelty inclusion, I take issue and will offer my opinion on the matter. It makes me question what is said during interviews, and what we receive each patch, how could these resources have been spent otherwise, if they didn't have this now even further stretching them to their limit? If we lived in a perfect world there wouldn't be any issues, and everyone could enjoy their male viera, and female hrothgar! Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world.

I don't doubt we will soon see frustrated male viera players, if every other race in the game is getting desirable hairstyles, and most definitely, hats.. I'll just have to ask them, "what did you expect?".

You know what else I was thinking. Inbefore vieras and hrothgars get more hairstyles we will probably see more hairstyles added to the other races......

Was that ever in question?

I really think it can't be that simple. There's no reason for them to withhold purchased Mog Station hairstyles and other new styles if modifying them is a straightforward business and they go to the effort for Miqo'te.

Surely it must be something in how the data is stored and accessed rather than just that the models won't work and can't be adapted. And if it is, then it's a problem that will persist even if they add new Viera-specific styles.

It is very simple, and they have stated why in interviews: resources. I highly doubt this was high on their priority list, and, according to that interview, they look to be still now in the planning stages for allocating resources for these hairstyles. Male viera took precedence, and I'd assume what resources would have otherwise been spent on female viera and male hrothgar, got spent on male viera specifically - because all we have for female hrothgar is a promise of their future addition, as far as I am aware.

[GeminiReed]

That makes me think that it's not a matter of them wanting to, but that for some reason they can't.

Unless their art pipeline is a complete disaster it should be easier for the studio to do the work because they have all the intermediate asset files that go into making the final forms. The only excuse I could see is if they were on the verge of releasing an engine upgrade but that doesn't seem to be the case. They're sandbagging.

[Iscah]

It is very simple, and they have stated why in interviews: resources.

I don't recall them saying that. It's why they said they didn't think they could afford the other genders, but hairstyles were an issue to do with Viera's unique heads.

[SturmChurro]

I don't recall them saying that. It's why they said they didn't think they could afford the other genders, but hairstyles were an issue to do with Viera's unique heads.

Oh, sorry to clarify I was just referring to the viera specific hairstyles, citing the most recent interview. However, if I recall correctly, there was an early interview where viera were said they would receive 'some' modern aesthetics styles, and then in a later interview it was stated they would only receive 'viera specific'. In regards to to modern aesthetics as a whole.

I tend to agree with this:

Unless their art pipeline is a complete disaster it should be easier for the studio to do the work because they have all the intermediate asset files that go into making the final forms. The only excuse I could see is if they were on the verge of releasing an engine upgrade but that doesn't seem to be the case. They're sandbagging.

I think they saw the workload required to start fitting hairstyles more regularly for female viera, and took issue with it. Rather, they would create those 'viera unique' styles, and that would be a problem for a future them. Probably the "resources" answer again, anyway.

[Iscah]

I think they saw the workload required to start fitting hairstyles more regularly for female viera, and took issue with it. Rather, they would create those 'viera unique' styles, and that would be a problem for a future them. Probably the "resources" answer again, anyway.

How could it possibly be less work to make completely new hairstyles for them than to make minor edits to existing ones?

If it was really nothing but a cost-cutting exercise they'd just modify some existing ones (or pick out some that they can stick ears on without even needing to modify) and still not keep them regularly updated after that.

I don't understand it, I don't have an explanation for it, but it doesn't add up. That's why I think it must be something deeper.

I wish they'd explain what it is.

[LuciaMirain]

I think they saw the workload required to start fitting hairstyles more regularly for female viera, and took issue with it. Rather, they would create those 'viera unique' styles, and that would be a problem for a future them. Probably the "resources" answer again, anyway.

This. The excuses have changed a couple of times. If it was a deeper issue than this then why not just say it?

[LuciaMirain]

How could it possibly be less work to make completely new hairstyles for them than to make minor edits to existing ones?

If it was really a cost-cutting exercise they'd just modify some existing ones and still not keep them regularly updated.

I don't understand it, I don't have an explanation for it, but it doesn't add up. That's why I think it must be something deeper.

I wish they'd explain what it is.

If it was "deeper" then they could just say it.