Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Goji1639]

Your analogy here is precisely backwards, though.

All players matched together are necessarily using the same difficulty setting -- easy, for instance. You simply have a part of that group that'd likely otherwise fail that easy difficulty play-through (or take at least twice as long to complete it as a typical group to which easy mode at least holds some appeal) if the other members were as unengaged or unprepared as that part is.

And since XIV is, in fact, a multiplayer game, that does have an effect on others. Even if the party clear, that's still time lost specifically because either (A) someone who would not have otherwise cleared had to be carried through it, someone who has put an unfair burden on others or (B) someone chose to play at absolute minimum effort, disrespectful to other's time or modes of engagement.

Don't get me wrong, if the majority of a group wants to take things slow, even looking at each and every little lore tidbit strewn throughout a dungeon, that's okay -- that's what they decide and anyone who pulls mobs onto them in the middle of that can be rightly kicked for griefing. But if the majority of the group wants to actually engage with the combat as actual combat (rather than roleplay-fixture )or push themselves at least a little bit because that's when and where the combat really takes shape or stride for them, then it is disrespectful not to try to follow suit because your actions do have an effect on them. If one's uncomfortable with the typical speed, it only takes voicing up, but that should at least come from a point of one's limits for the moment, rather than one's preference somehow being worth as much as the rest of the party combined. Because, again, it is a multiplayer game and one's actions do therefore affect others.

The first thing we need to clear up is that the vast majority of groups would absolutely clear this content the way they're playing. Pretending they wouldn't without you is just a disingenuous way of creating an issue that doesn't exist. You showing up and putting in optimal effort is ONLY making things go faster.

That out of the way, it's like I said; you're playing with a random assortment people all operating at different self imposed difficulty levels. Some are playing like it's easy mode, which it is, and some are self-imposing optimal play in order to increase the difficulty for themselves. Both are valid as long as the content is getting cleared. If you want everyone operating at your self-imposed difficulty level than find like-minded people and play with them.

Clearing is the only real team oriented goal the game facilitates. If you want to place personal time restrictions on the clear that aren't part of the actual game then you know what you have to do.

[Awha]

In truth I do not think this would be so much of an issue if the community did not try to vilify those who do not want to play with other individuals and feel that just because the DF exists to help others that means people are obligated to sit back deal mainly because their existence in the group does not cause a meaningful burden.

[Goji1639]

In truth I do not think this would be so much of an issue if the community did not try to vilify those who do not want to play with other individuals and feel that just because the DF exists to help others that means people are obligated to sit back deal mainly because their existence in the group does not cause a meaningful burden.

Vote kicking and/or leaving if the group can't see eye to eye and cooperate is perfectly fine. These are functions of the game and meant to be used.

My issue is with all the self-anointed roulette police; attempting to create/enforce standards that aren't in any way part of the actual game. "Tanks have to pull wall to wall; Healers need to DPS; DPS need to AoE" All preferences; not rules or necessities to clear the content that the game in any way dictates. Don't get me wrong, I prefer fast and optimal to, but this community can shove their invented sense of authority over how everyone has to play.

[ZedxKayn]

Vote kicking and/or leaving if the group can't see eye to eye and cooperate is perfectly fine. These are functions of the game and meant to be used.

My issue is with all the self-anointed roulette police; attempting to create/enforce standards that aren't in any way part of the actual game. "Tanks have to pull wall to wall; Healers need to DPS; DPS need to AoE" All preferences; not rules or necessities to clear the content that the game in any way dictates. Don't get me wrong, I prefer fast and optimal to but this community can shove their invented sense of authority over how everyone has to play.

They're half-assing their job and in doing so impacting the enjoyment of their party members. It's more of a question of values at this point, not "rules". And the bare minimum we complain of not getting is extremely easy to achieve, so if someone doesn't even want to use their much simpler AoE rotation over their single-target ones on a pack of mobs, they'll get an earful. They don't get to waste my time and ruin my fun without hearing what I have to say, especially when it results in my death.

[SturmChurro]

Vote kicking and/or leaving if the group can't see eye to eye and cooperate is perfectly fine. These are functions of the game and meant to be used.

My issue is with all the self-anointed roulette police; attempting to create/enforce standards that aren't in any way part of the actual game. "Tanks have to pull wall to wall; Healers need to DPS; DPS need to AoE" All preferences; not rules or necessities to clear the content that the game in any way dictates. Don't get me wrong, I prefer fast and optimal to, but this community can shove their invented sense of authority over how everyone has to play.

What else should healers be doing if not DPS when nobody needs heals, standing still?! DPS DO NEED to aoe, why the heck are the skills even available then? How about we just streamline this game even more and just have all singletarget skills do splash damage, because APPARENTLY asking or suggesting a DPS use an AOE skill is too much!

[Goji1639]

They're half-assing their job and in doing so impacting the enjoyment of their party members. It's more of a question of values at this point, not "rules". And the bare minimum we complain of not getting is extremely easy to achieve, so if someone doesn't even want to use their much simpler AoE rotation over their single-target ones on a pack of mobs, they'll get an earful. They don't get to waste my time and ruin my fun without hearing what I have to say, especially when it results in my death.

Hey, say whatever you want, within the allowances of the ToS obviously. I wouldn't bother getting incensed if you're promptly ignored or get an earful back, though.

Reading these forums, a lot of you don't respond well to being ignored or verbally brushed off when you're correcting somebody in-game. Try to remember you're not some kind of authority figure here, you're a nobody barking orders at another nobody in a game. That doesn't command much respect.

What else should healers be doing if not DPS when nobody needs heals, standing still?! DPS DO NEED to aoe, why the heck are the skills even available then? How about we just streamline this game even more and just have all singletarget skills do splash damage, because APPARENTLY asking or suggesting a DPS use an AOE skill is too much!

Like I said, "ask" or "suggest" whatever you want. I just think you all need to quit being surprised when you're ignored. Healers don't NEED to DPS and DPS don't NEED to AoE in casual content. You can clear just fine without either; I've seen it done.

[Awha]

Vote kicking and/or leaving if the group can't see eye to eye and cooperate is perfectly fine. These are functions of the game and meant to be used.

My issue is with all the self-anointed roulette police; attempting to create/enforce standards that aren't in any way part of the actual game. "Tanks have to pull wall to wall; Healers need to DPS; DPS need to AoE" All preferences; not rules or necessities to clear the content that the game in any way dictates. Don't get me wrong, I prefer fast and optimal to, but this community can shove their invented sense of authority over how everyone has to play.

Personally I can get behind that. In truth I do not care about how someone wants to play just do not expect to get away with it in a group I am in without at the very going through the attempt to that person removed.

Hey, say whatever you want, within the allowances of the ToS obviously. I wouldn't bother getting incensed if you're promptly ignored or get an earful back, though.

Reading these forums, a lot of you don't respond well to being ignored or verbally brushed off when you're correcting somebody in-game. Try to remember you're not some kind of authority figure here, you're a nobody barking orders at another nobody in a game. That doesn't command much respect.


Like I said, "ask" or "suggest" whatever you want. I just think you all need to quit being surprised when you're ignored. Healers don't NEED to DPS and DPS don't NEED to AoE in casual content. You can clear just fine without either; I've seen it done.

As mentioned you are right but people should not be surprised if they get removed for doing things the group may not like.

[SturmChurro]

Like I said, "ask" or "suggest" whatever you want. I just think you all need to quit being surprised when you're ignored. Healers don't NEED to DPS and DPS don't NEED to AoE in casual content. You can clear just fine without either; I've seen it done.

I don't ask or suggest anything, because I know if I do I might get banned. I just sit there having my time wasted by players who seemingly disregard their party members time and effort. For a recent example, you know how much additional time is wasted doing Dalraida when people aren't using essences and "playing how they want"? 30-45 minutes!!! That is TWO runs worth of time total. It's ridiculous.

[Velnora]

Hey, say whatever you want, within the allowances of the ToS obviously. I wouldn't bother getting incensed if you're promptly ignored or get an earful back, though.

Reading these forums, a lot of you don't respond well to being ignored or verbally brushed off when you're correcting somebody in-game. Try to remember you're not some kind of authority figure here, you're a nobody barking orders at another nobody in a game. That doesn't command much respect.


Like I said, "ask" or "suggest" whatever you want. I just think you all need to quit being surprised when you're ignored. Healers don't NEED to DPS and DPS don't NEED to AoE in casual content. You can clear just fine without either; I've seen it done.

Dps don't "have to dps", either. Can sit there auto attacking and let the tank do the damage.

[Velnora]

You know what feels bad? Doing 4x more dps as a Dragoon, than a Samurai.