Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[PurinSato]

It still baffles me the fact that the mod community were able to fix the issue in like what, two weeks after? I don't use mods, I will never use. Also I know that XIV dev team does have A LOT on their shoulders, but c'mon 2 years already passed.

[Juzjuzz]

Even though I don't think it's it makes sense having a gender locked race in 2021 so...

It makes sense but for lore reasons only. They could have done something similar to Asari from mass effect or the gerudo from zelda. If you make a child with a Viera you are 100% sure to get a female Viera child (maybe with some "unique traits" depending on the father). Hrothgar could have been the same.
But if you don't care about thoose types of lore, yeah it sucks.

[RyuDragnier]

It makes sense but for lore reasons only. They could have done something similar to Asari from mass effect or the gerudo from zelda. If you make a child with a Viera you are 100% sure to get a female Viera child (maybe with some "unique traits" depending on the father). Hrothgar could have been the same.
But if you don't care about thoose types of lore, yeah it sucks.

Even by lore reasons it doesn't make sense. Remember, for one of the miqote clans, the males never leave the village. Yet we see them all the time. There is always an exception, the world never works in absolutes.

[Juzjuzz]

Even by lore reasons it doesn't make sense. Remember, for one of the miqote clans, the males never leave the village. Yet we see them all the time. There is always an exception, the world never works in absolutes.

If Viera didn't have male and didn't need males in the lore right now (and go outside to make babies), seeing no males make sense imo. For the miqote clan i agree the world doesnt work in adsolutes, so why all the races have to reproduce in the same manner? xD

[Halivel]

It still baffles me the fact that the mod community were able to fix the issue in like what, two weeks after? I don't use mods, I will never use. Also I know that XIV dev team does have A LOT on their shoulders, but c'mon 2 years already passed.

"Were able to fix" is a pretty loud word tbh. Half of what they do requires turning off some graphical settings in game because it breaks models, another part clips so badly in animations that it's painful to look at even with clipping we already have as it is, and with some haircuts Viera ears are just flying above the hair.

Mod community is nice and all, but they do things in their free time that they're free to spend however they like and they don't have any responsibility for whatever their creations break (in some cases they can break the game entirely to the point of the need to reinstall it from scratch). SE workers have schedule and responsibility for consequences so no, comparing one to another isn't really valid. I understand the annoyance, but just because we pay 13 euro doesn't mean they have to work themselves to death - crunch culture in gamedev is already bad enough, no need to make it worse.

[PurinSato]

It makes sense but for lore reasons only. They could have done something similar to Asari from mass effect or the gerudo from zelda. If you make a child with a Viera you are 100% sure to get a female Viera child (maybe with some "unique traits" depending on the father). Hrothgar could have been the same.
But if you don't care about thoose types of lore, yeah it sucks.

Oh I don't play with male characters, so I would be fine without bunny boys.
But I do understand that the contrary happens, people who only play male and want to be a bunny so...

But if we go with the lore, cat boys wouldn't exist in the game either tho

[PurinSato]

"Were able to fix" is a pretty loud word tbh. Half of what they do requires turning off some graphical settings in game because it breaks models, another part clips so badly in animations that it's painful to look at even with clipping we already have as it is, and with some haircuts Viera ears are just flying above the hair.

Mod community is nice and all, but they do things in their free time that they're free to spend however they like and they don't have any responsibility for whatever their creations break (in some cases they can break the game entirely to the point of the need to reinstall it from scratch). SE workers have schedule and responsibility for consequences so no, comparing one to another isn't really valid. I understand the annoyance, but just because we pay 13 euro doesn't mean they have to work themselves to death - crunch culture in gamedev is already bad enough, no need to make it worse.

I have no idea how mods work since I don't use them.
But it's not only 13 euros, a lot of people, including me, buy mogstation items, fantasias. Proly most of the players have more than 2 retainers. I mean it is opcional, but still. We are supporting the game you know?
It was just a basic vent, nothing else, I don't mean to harm anyone. Still the interview gave me hope!

[Halivel]

I have no idea how mods work since I don't use them.

I don't either, but I was exposed to the community and saw some things that I wish I didn't see. Sometimes they want you to bleach your eyes. That said, I wish I didn't know about mods existence altogether, they're cursed. I avoid screenshots tags in twitter already, because 99% of what there's posted is just...... bad in too many ways.

But it's not only 13 euros, a lot of people, including me, buy mogstation items, fantasias. Proly most of the players have more than 2 retainers. I mean it is opcional, but still. We are supporting the game you know?

Well, I do as well. Have solid half of the Mog bought and 4 additional retainers. Thing is - these money go to the company and financial department. I highly doubt the the staff itself has any noticeable profit from these additional spendings, and as such I tend to be more sympathetic with developer team themselves, because they're just normal people no different from us.

It was just a basic vent, nothing else, I don't mean to harm anyone. Still the interview gave me hope!

Valid. I do hope that his "I hope to have some good news soon" is soon and isn't another 2 or 3 years because it's totally possible. :")

[Juzjuzz]

Oh I don't play with male characters, so I would be fine without bunny boys.
But I do understand that the contrary happens, people who only play male and want to be a bunny so...

But if we go with the lore, cat boys wouldn't exist in the game either tho

Yeah it sucks for some players haha but i'm not against gender locked races. I was fine with just female viera tbh.

Because of the Mithra right ? I wasn't there when catboys didn't exist but i think i could have just created a Hyur even if it's a bit boring. If i'm going to ffXI i'm playing Hume and nothing else if i want a male haha. Many games with other races like mass effect lets you play human only, i had fun with that.

I think the main problem is when one gender just looks better than the other. In FFXI Mithra look fine imo, close to female Hume but you won't like Galka if you don't like looking like Hulk.

[Halivel]

Yeah it sucks for some players haha but i'm not against gender locked races. I was fine with just female viera tbh.

Because of the Mithra right ? I wasn't there when catboys didn't exist but i think i could have just created a Hyur even if it's a bit boring. If i'm going to ffXI i'm playing Hume and nothing else if i want a male haha.

Miqo'te (female only), Roegadyns (male only) and Highlanders (male only) used to be genderlocked in 1.0, so in FF14 already. They were released as complete races in 2.0 due to community feedback.

Ironically enough, just like with Viera and Hrothgar, there was the very same gang of people "but muh lore", "we don't need eye candy", "they better spend resources on something more useful" and all the other arguments against "missing genders" release that were said during last two years about possible Male Viera and Female Hrothgars. History pretty much repeated itself. The only difference is that community is far bigger now, so this time the outcry was also far louder.