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    Yeah there's no way this is supposed to be wrapping things up. It's clearly setting up for a continuation:

    -Gabranth's death was very very obviously faked. They wouldn't have added all that stuff about "well they couldn't identify him at first, and now people fear his 'ghost'" if he was really meant to be dead. If they absolutely wanted him to die here he could have been the last boss of Dalriada. They didn't do that for a reason.
    -Sicinius delivered newly-excavated Bozjan weapons to Gabranth in the last cutscene that looked like they had auracite in them.
    -Lyon is still out there and for some reason is capturing and turning in other IVth officers.
    -Fran straight up says "I hope we can work together again, perhaps next time in Dalmasca?"
    -Fran's field notes finally reveal the deal with Ashe while also establishing she has memory problems.

    This is going to continue in the future.

    My assumption for why Gabranth did this is that he knew Dalmasca was a lost cause. His field notes say that after losing Bozja they were getting attacked on all fronts, so I think he knew Dalmasca wasn't going to stay under his control. At that point it's better to cut your losses and get out while you still can, so he faked his death so he could work on his plan with those new weapons without being hunted and assaulted by the resistances.

    Though I am disappointed that this all was in the field notes instead of cutscenes, I do think it's all really cool developments and I can't wait to see where it goes.
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    Last edited by JeanneOrnitier; 05-28-2021 at 01:00 AM.

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    I'm just curious now if said continuation will require doing the Bozja story. It's one thing to have people do an alliance raid series, but may be a bit much to have people have to do Bozja as well to get into whatever 'act three' ends up being.
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    It will probably need completion of the Bozja story, so hopefully they nerf it or increase mettle gain or both. There's even a lot of dangling plot threads IN BOZJA, aftar all, the different factions of the Resistance now don't have the common enemy of the empire and so can only turn their animosity towards each other. And the story itself tells us they're pretty divided as is.

    In short: I hope the story continues, and if the weapons Gabranth got at the end are any indication, it may be the next relic weapon quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage View Post
    It will probably need completion of the Bozja story, so hopefully they nerf it or increase mettle gain or both. There's even a lot of dangling plot threads IN BOZJA, aftar all, the different factions of the Resistance now don't have the common enemy of the empire and so can only turn their animosity towards each other. And the story itself tells us they're pretty divided as is.

    In short: I hope the story continues, and if the weapons Gabranth got at the end are any indication, it may be the next relic weapon quest.
    Makes sense to me for it to be the 7.X relics. I mean unless it was held off for 8.0 or later not much else it could be unless they tied it into the Trial storyline. Which I suppose they could do but I'm still putting money on the four fiends.
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    Having finished Bozja today I gotta say I'm seeing major red flags here; obviously Lyon didn't kill Noah Gabranth, that's as shocking as the sun rising I know. However, what I posit is that Lyon did NOT hand over Sicinius but rather a copy Sicinius made of himself to appease Dalmasca and get them to lower their guard some. After all, Lyon is a single, though powerful, man but is still just one man and Dalmasca would surely use far less resources trying to find him especially since they have a city to rebuild.

    Now, why do I think this? Well, if you manage to get the skrimish in the third zone of Zadnor where the resistance finally catches up to Dabog, Sicinius reveals he's been able to create superior copies complete with all the tactical knowledge and memories of the original. So yes, I'd expect all three (and maybe Dabog too) to show up again at some point in the future.


    Edit; One additional thought on Sicinius being still alive; I want him to die worse than Valens did... he is like... the Hojo of the 4th Legion he's that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    I'm just curious now if said continuation will require doing the Bozja story. It's one thing to have people do an alliance raid series, but may be a bit much to have people have to do Bozja as well to get into whatever 'act three' ends up being.
    If they keep the Bozjan characters out of the next part then they could probably get away with just requiring Ivalice and having Fran or someone give exposition to the tune of "Gabranth is 'dead', his right hand is AWOL, Dalmasca is free."

    I wouldn't like that though because I like Bajsaljen and the gang. The only other alternative I can think of is nerfing Bozja's grind hard and fixing how the Castrum/Dalriada queuing system works so that it's way easier to complete and therefore less of a hurdle for newcomers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald_Bloodwings View Post
    Now, why do I think this? Well, if you manage to get the skrimish in the third zone of Zadnor where the resistance finally catches up to Dabog, Sicinius reveals he's been able to create superior copies complete with all the tactical knowledge and memories of the original. So yes, I'd expect all three (and maybe Dabog too) to show up again at some point in the future.
    Which sadly means the original Dabog is likely long dead. Though it makes you wish we could have saved a copy back in Southern Front, him having an existential crisis, before being convinced to just live his own life, at which point he changes his name and joins the Garlond Ironworks as a tester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    I'm just curious now if said continuation will require doing the Bozja story. It's one thing to have people do an alliance raid series, but may be a bit much to have people have to do Bozja as well to get into whatever 'act three' ends up being.
    If they want to keep Bozja the level 71 to 80 leveling area they might do so. The could easily add mettle granting tasks to the challenge log to accelerate the currently fast rank up system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Which sadly means the original Dabog is likely long dead. Though it makes you wish we could have saved a copy back in Southern Front, him having an existential crisis, before being convinced to just live his own life, at which point he changes his name and joins the Garlond Ironworks as a tester.
    Funnily enough I was talking with a friend and it just hit me that if they bring Gabranth back and my theory that both Lyon and Sicinius are with him turns out true... with Endwalker having FF4 vibes they could do a nod to the Mysterious Girls from After Years and we find what amounts to a 'blank' Dabog that didn't have his memories implanted yet. It would be a very big morale choice for us... do we kill this empty shell? Or do we complete the process knowing full well this isn't the real Dabog? What would Dabog say if he knew the truth that this isn't 'him'? It's one of those moments where I wish I could just whisper into the ears of the writing staff, ya know? The concept is certainly an interesting one.

    Edit; Also in terms of the Dabog we see on the southern front... with what we know now it gives pause for thought for the way he was acting. Was that Dabog breaking free of the control Sicinius put in him? Or was it the hrothgar used to create Dabog trying to resurface?
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    Last edited by Ronald_Bloodwings; 05-28-2021 at 08:39 AM.

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    I didn't take them wrapping up stuff and setting up new plot points in the notes as them not being sure it would continue or running out of time. I took it as them/Matsuno knowing Endwalkers premise wouldnt leave alot of story space of another Liberation, and this is there way of setting up a 3rd act/ resetting the board for the post 6.0 stories.

    Fact of the matter is, EW's very premise sorta puts any IVth Legion Plot in the bin because they wouldn't be spared having to deal with the Telephori. Noah going into hiding is both a cool twist and it lets them reintroduce the Ivalice plot whenever they want.
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