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  1. #31251
    Player
    ThatOneDiviner's Avatar
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    Oct 2020
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    26
    Character
    Scarlet Varlineau
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Puppet's Bunker run. Other two alliances could not keep their healers up to save their lives. My alliance outside of the new DRG was the only alliance consistently alive. I somehow kept my tank friend alive after he managed to collect six vulns through a combination of his own missteps and people just completely bungling towers during the third boss. The other two alliances were salty in chat. God help me, I want to know how much progress I made to my next rez achievement in that run alone.

    Like masochists, we decide to run Tower as well because we both still want to augment stuff. Same story, different raid. Our alliance is the only one consistently alive. Friend is MTing because he doesn't trust the others to do so. Vuln stacks aplenty because we're dumb but we both still refuse to die. No salt this time though, so no in-raid entertainment outside of laughing as I watch him get squished like a bug by the falling towers during the last boss.
    (1)

  2. #31252
    Player
    Metallium's Avatar
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    Oct 2017
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    Character
    Metal Veins
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Had a syrcus tower last night with a new tank in my alliance. who was still new to tanking. Taught him the Off Tank strat. He kept up with the instructions perfectly and was an awesome off tank for his first thing. It was a smooth and perfect run...
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  3. #31253
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    Imora's Avatar
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    May 2021
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    Character
    Imora Dal'syn
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    You probably know this, and sorry for telling you if you do, but just in case... make sure you tick all languages.
    Don't speak those languages. Only ones I speak are English and Swedish. :P. Not going to subject a group to my "doesn't speak German/French" self(EU).

    And it ended up being a 120 minute queue, with an immediate tank withdraw the first time it popped. And I thought 30m with Ravana was bad.

    Singularity Reactor at least took 10. As a tank. Healer shortages I'm assuming.

    But I really haven't had bad groups yet, just atrocious wait times.
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  4. #31254
    Player
    JRat's Avatar
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    May 2021
    Location
    Uldah? I think..
    Posts
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    Character
    Jahro Katika
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 60
    I was mildly surprised that in a Satasha dungeon run that the AST actually halted the run to explain to the new marauder how to use their enmity ability and overpower to keep the rest of us safe. (I was on my lancer at the time)
    She was losing aggro to things and they were going after the healer and the DD. Afterwards we continued with minimal issues from then on.
    I was pleasantly surprised that there was none of the "OMG this noob tank sucks! Kick her!" i would expect from the impatient PUGs in that other MMORPG.
    I hope this experience extends beyond the starting dungeons.
    Although I expect less patience as I venture into higher content where you should by now be expected to know your roles.
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  5. #31255
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    CalliopeDragonsong's Avatar
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    Aug 2016
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    Character
    Aya Amunet
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Lvl 77 dungeon today.
    Tank says Hi.
    Everyone say Hi.
    Tank stands still. We wait.
    Tank : ....mmmm no German?
    Us : why ?
    Healer : I’m German, do you need help ?
    Tank : I settled my DF on German only, why am I getting paired with you ? Does your ego need to add German on your languages for joining faster ? I only play with Germans.
    Us : eh ?

    Tank runs to the exit and leaves.

    I swear it was a premiere in five years on this game !
    (12)

  6. #31256
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    Kolsykol's Avatar
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    Character
    Aelona Chillwind
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    I am a pretty patient player but I think I met my nemesis today in Amaurot.
    Tank just kept walking three steps then pausing repeatedly the whole dungeon ( it didn't look like lag at all ) and pulled groups one by one, but sometimes not at all.
    At the beginning he just ran to the edge and stood there for like two whole minutes while we were fighting then he kept doing this the whole dungeon basically running just in a straight line into the edge/ wall and just stood there before realizing it was the wrong way.
    It felt like the run was taking years to complete so I just starting pulling the second groups and pulling them all the way back to the tank.
    Same with the platforms towards the end he seemingly didn't understand what the platforms were even after he had used them and was looking for where to go ( even tho he could clearly see all of us using them ).

    I basically had to tank the bosses as SAM because he stood in all of the mechanics, every single one.
    Then he just started ressing at the start instead of accepting the healers ress, we carried him hard the whole way he was practically abscent from the bosses almost.
    It might sound like a bot but he wasn't, because he was talking in chat.
    I don't even know if he got mad at me for pulling the second group at first ( this was the last two groups before the second boss ), he said something about hitting walls lol but it was incoherent.
    The healer told him to pull more repeatedly too before I even did that.

    Look if ya want to pull one by one it's kinda annoying but I won't complain.
    But all of that other stuff on top of it too, nah.
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  7. #31257
    Player
    LaughingBanana's Avatar
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    Character
    Hikari Youko
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CalliopeDragonsong View Post
    Lvl 77 dungeon today.
    Tank says Hi.
    Everyone say Hi.
    Tank stands still. We wait.
    Tank : ....mmmm no German?
    Us : why ?
    Healer : I’m German, do you need help ?
    Tank : I settled my DF on German only, why am I getting paired with you ? Does your ego need to add German on your languages for joining faster ? I only play with Germans.
    Us : eh ?

    Tank runs to the exit and leaves.

    I swear it was a premiere in five years on this game !
    lol, wtf, that was the most random thing ever.
    (5)

  8. 05-27-2021 03:23 PM

  9. #31258
    Player
    Deiranoth's Avatar
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    Character
    Darul Kuu
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Aldora View Post
    Unfortunately, you will come across these types of runs if you are running with players who have run the dungeon / encounter so many times that they can do it with their eyes closed. They will then go through the dungeon as fast as they can. It will be difficult to fully explain what mechanics do during a fight, because either:

    - The tank pulls immediately and you can't explain in detail while you tank/dps/heal
    - Most of the mechanics speak for themselves, so only highlights of the things you need to look out for will be mentioned (just to save time)

    The best thing you can do, is remain calm. Pay close attention what other people are doing and don't be afraid to speak up if you don't understand something. This doesn't mean that every one will stop to give you more (detailed) information, but people you are willing to lend you a hand will do so accordingly. Just, don't be mad if they don't give a detailed description of the fight, or lend you an additional hand. @Deiranoth, i see that you're on the same DataCenter as me. If you want more info about the dungeon or need a hand with something, let me know. We can sort something out, like running the dungeon together.



    It is true that you don't have to look up a guide in order to be able to clear dungeons. Based on the experience you've build up with the previous encounters (Dungeons, Trails, Raids, etc), your knowledge of the different types of mechanics you can find in Dungeons will expand. However, there will be times where even the most experienced player will be surprised with a new (variation of a) mechanic. These experienced players will most likely see those on the high-end content, which might be used in dungeons at a later stage.

    Just keep going at it. You'll get the hang of it.
    That was probably my most comprehensive answer I have gotten. Thank you for at least coming at it from both directions. I have definitely gotten better and it was the final enemy of the run that was giving me the problems. After the first time, though, I was able to handle it fine. I do try and be understanding, it's just that I felt like I was being useless and left high and dry when I was clearly struggling and asking for help. The new mechanic I got hit by was Pendulum.(PS: Sorry about not leaving the whole quote, it was rather long and it wouldn't let me reply)
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  10. #31259
    Player
    Frizze's Avatar
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    Character
    Frizze Steeleblaze
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CalliopeDragonsong View Post
    Lvl 77 dungeon today.
    Tank says Hi.
    Everyone say Hi.
    Tank stands still. We wait.
    Tank : ....mmmm no German?
    Us : why ?
    Healer : I’m German, do you need help ?
    Tank : I settled my DF on German only, why am I getting paired with you ? Does your ego need to add German on your languages for joining faster ? I only play with Germans.
    Us : eh ?

    Tank runs to the exit and leaves.

    I swear it was a premiere in five years on this game !
    Wow, thats a new one. Someone should tell that guy that the leveling roulette ignores language preference in favor of faster ques. Most ques dont have this feature, but leveling for sure does.
    (1)

  11. #31260
    Player
    Allegor's Avatar
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    Sep 2018
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    Character
    Red Rider
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    People still fail in WoW Classic dungeons and raids, where there's basically no mechanics or one mechanic lol.
    People always find a way to fail.

    If I think someone doesn't know or have forgotten I mention it quickly, like in Sohm Al recently on the second boss.
    I just said '' red stack, blue spread ''.

    Guess what.
    They still failed xD.
    I think to some extent no amount of explaining will help some people because most mechanics especially in dungeons are really obvious and repeated mechanics.
    Like I shouldn't have to explain what a stack mark is, at least in Sohm Al I can see it be a bit misleading so that's why I just quickly mention in those cases.
    Another factor is that's literally what the healer is there for, for the most part at least - as long as you can survive it, many people just outright don't care to fail mechanics when the healer can snap their fingers and get them back to full HP [specially if it's a WHM] and the worst part is not even healer themselves are immune to the "I don't care" mentality.
    (0)
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

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