Parsers add replayability for casual players

[SturmChurro]

What's weird to me is people strawmanning others by suggesting if you're against parsers its because you are happy to have a party full of semi trained chimps.

I've lost count of the amount of endgame groups I've been in over the years that have 3rd party communication. They all used parsers and if they had been allowed to announce results in game then griefing and shaming would have quickly followed. Many groups would post event parse results in 3rd party aps as a procedure after each event. This can cause arguments as it is but good leaders can usually manage these situations, those brakes won't be applied in random parties though.

SE are reasonably happy with the current situation, if you parse and keep your mouth shut they don't care. Make one mention of it though and they have you on ToS. If they let the cat out of the bag and allow parsers they will spend far too much time having to mediate silly arguments about pointless [...].

As I said before this argument is very old, its raged since before FFXIV was but a twinkle in Yoshi P's eye, back in FFXI, both parsers and windower were discussed and argued about to death. The devs didn't budge an inch, and there is nothing to suggest they will start now.

I'm going to be real with you here, I didn't read anything prior. I was simply giving my opinion on the community's general stance on the players who choose to not use skills.

What exactly does having an in-game parser have to do with this? Like, I get players don't want to see their own numbers - especially if they aren't very good, but other people can already see their numbers now. I assume the policy wouldn't change as it is currently.

They are already spending far too much time mediating silly arguments and pointless reports, in my opinion. It's pretty well known that the FFXIV community will report each other for anything and everything. I doubt an official parser - if added - would change much here in this regard, the smart players would continue to keep their mouths shut out of fear of a strike, and potential ban.

[linayar]

other people can already see their numbers now.

Then I guess we don't need an in-game parser.

It's pretty well known that the FFXIV community will report each other for anything and everything.

What may be "pretty well known" does not always match individual experiences.

[SturmChurro]

Then I guess we don't need an in-game parser.

What may be "pretty well known" does not always match individual experiences.

No, there's an argument for their inclusion. Not mine, but there are valid arguments all throughout the thread. I just take issue with the whole "harassment" thing, nothing would change in this aspect.

I can assure you, people of this community are reporting for pretty much everything. One could make the argument whether GMs actually act on most of these, but it doesn't change that fact, or the amount of GM time wasted having to go through them.

[linayar]

No, there's an argument for their inclusion. Not mine, but there are valid arguments all throughout the thread.

I disagree. The status quo hasn't prevented all the contents from being cleared. Having official support for in-game parser becomes a matter of convenience, but that alone doesn't make it a good enough argument to have it.

I just take issue with the whole "harassment" thing, nothing would change in this aspect.

Except the number of potential incidents.

I can assure you, people of this community are reporting for pretty much everything. One could make the argument whether GMs actually act on most of these, but it doesn't change that fact, or the amount of GM time wasted having to go through them.

I don't think you can assure me of any of that unless you're a GM.