Please dont just stand there. Learn to move.

[ForteNightshade]

In later dungeons/raids/etc, you will NEED to learn to move out of aoes WHILE fighting. It is a VALUABLE SKILL and one that you MUST LEARN. Yes, there are some exceptions as your gear/level/skill improves, but you should learn to move around as necessary as soon as possible because not every time will you be able to rely on your party/healer to keep you alive while you just stand there as rooted as a tree, hitting the boss.

Unfortunately, it isn't for a lot of content. I can and have collected seven vuln stacks from the last boss in Grand Cosmos and he [i]still[i] doesn't do half my HP through cooldowns. I've had four in E10N and never come remotely close to dying. Granted, DPS and healers can't collect every vuln stack but this is largely the problem with how low casual content is tuned. People aren't going to respect mechanics when they aren't threatening because there's no reason to. If I can eat Shiva's Axe Kick as a melee, why am I going to disengage and lose damage? It won't kill me, and I can easily heal myself back up with Bloodbath.

The devs need to stop tuning content so low if they want people to care about vuln stacks.

[Vahlnir]

Unfortunately, it isn't for a lot of content. I can and have collected seven vuln stacks from the last boss in Grand Cosmos and he [i]still[i] doesn't do half my HP through cooldowns. I've had four in E10N and never come remotely close to dying. Granted, DPS and healers can't collect every vuln stack but this is largely the problem with how low casual content is tuned. People aren't going to respect mechanics when they aren't threatening because there's no reason to. If I can eat Shiva's Axe Kick as a melee, why am I going to disengage and lose damage? It won't kill me, and I can easily heal myself back up with Bloodbath.

The devs need to stop tuning content so low if they want people to care about vuln stacks.

Devs before Shadowbringers: "Better watch out guys, the incoming damage is gonna be killer! You healers better be healing!"

Devs after Shadowbringers: "..."

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Unfortunately, it isn't for a lot of content. I can and have collected seven vuln stacks from the last boss in Grand Cosmos and he [i]still[i] doesn't do half my HP through cooldowns. I've had four in E10N and never come remotely close to dying. Granted, DPS and healers can't collect every vuln stack but this is largely the problem with how low casual content is tuned. People aren't going to respect mechanics when they aren't threatening because there's no reason to. If I can eat Shiva's Axe Kick as a melee, why am I going to disengage and lose damage? It won't kill me, and I can easily heal myself back up with Bloodbath.

The devs need to stop tuning content so low if they want people to care about vuln stacks.

Devs before Shadowbringers: "Better watch out guys, the incoming damage is gonna be killer! You healers better be healing!"

Devs after Shadowbringers: "..."

Guess this is why we're getting stuffs like Twice/Thrice-comes-Ruin and Damage Downs. No wonder people hate them, -a lot-.

[Syphin_Polaris]

Guess this is why we're getting stuffs like Twice/Thrice-comes-Ruin and Damage Downs. No wonder people hate them, -a lot-.

Good, they need to learn how to actually do something other than spam buttons for numbers.

[NanaWiloh]

Unfortunately, it isn't for a lot of content. I can and have collected seven vuln stacks from the last boss in Grand Cosmos and he [i]still[i] doesn't do half my HP through cooldowns. I've had four in E10N and never come remotely close to dying. Granted, DPS and healers can't collect every vuln stack but this is largely the problem with how low casual content is tuned. People aren't going to respect mechanics when they aren't threatening because there's no reason to. If I can eat Shiva's Axe Kick as a melee, why am I going to disengage and lose damage? It won't kill me, and I can easily heal myself back up with Bloodbath.

The devs need to stop tuning content so low if they want people to care about vuln stacks.

Its not the damage thats the issue its the act of ignoring it in general it sets a bad example. With the number of threads that have come around complaining and asking for more in game tutorials, encouraging any kind of play should be avoided.

[ForteNightshade]

Guess this is why we're getting stuffs like Twice/Thrice-comes-Ruin and Damage Downs. No wonder people hate them, -a lot-.

Oh, I wholeheartedly believe Damage Downs are a response to Ifrit Soccer where even JP's strat was to eat the vuln stack because it did so little damage. I actually prefer this approach, though I think they went a little too overboard with it.

Its not the damage thats the issue its the act of ignoring it in general it sets a bad example. With the number of threads that have come around complaining and asking for more in game tutorials, encouraging any kind of play should be avoided.

Actually, the lack of damage is precisely the issue. Vuln stacks are supposed to be the game's ways of punishing you. If the increased damage is negligible, players have little incentive to care. The only "example" being shown is the mechanic doesn't matter, which is SE's fault not the playerbase. I'm much more mindful of say, mobs in higher floors of Deep Dungeon because they'll pound me into the ground if I'm not. That feedback gives me incentive to care. Hence why I do. Meanwhile, Shadow Doggo doing 10% extra damage doesn't because I have a 200k HP pool and he's hardly put a dent in it.

[NanaWiloh]

Oh, I wholeheartedly believe Damage Downs are a response to Ifrit Soccer where even JP's strat was to eat the vuln stack because it did so little damage. I actually prefer this approach, though I think they went a little too overboard with it.



Actually, the lack of damage is precisely the issue. Vuln stacks are supposed to be the game's ways of punishing you. If the increased damage is negligible, players have little incentive to care. The only "example" being shown is the mechanic doesn't matter, which is SE's fault not the playerbase. I'm much more mindful of say, mobs in higher floors of Deep Dungeon because they'll pound me into the ground if I'm not. That feedback gives me incentive to care. Hence why I do. Meanwhile, Shadow Doggo doing 10% extra damage doesn't because I have a 200k HP pool and he's hardly put a dent in it.

Mechanics should be respected now, not when they actually hurt. When SE makes things actually hurt the negative side of this idea will rear its ugly head. Old habbits die hard, so the more players who think its OK to stand in AOE now. The harder its going to be break players of it when mechanics hurt. Saw this happen in WoW going from wrath to Cata, dungeon difficulty jumped back to BC levels. Community lost its mind over the difficulty and all the players who couldnt handle it.

[Shibi]

Saw this happen in WoW going from wrath to Cata, dungeon difficulty jumped back to BC levels. Community lost its mind over the difficulty and all the players who couldnt handle it.

To be fair, most people lost it after Wrath of the Lion King when the skill trees were pruned, and sparkle ponies appeared. There wasn't that much complaint about dungeons getting harder, major expansion and all so people do expect to be hit hard while they gear - same as here.

Mechanics should be respected now, not when they actually hurt. When SE makes things actually hurt the negative side of this idea will rear its ugly head. Old habbits die hard, so the more players who think its OK to stand in AOE now. The harder its going to be break players of it when mechanics hurt.

People generally have no problems adjusting and adapting.

Again, when it's new, people usually take a little more care, the very first overland mob enough to knock some sense into most. Once geared and the fights known, it may well be that once more people find there is no need to move, although this time will come with a rebalance, so that that will be fun!

In all cases, healers should always be OK with not throwing a rock, but a heal.

[ForteNightshade]

Potentially hot take, but I would not be against them making the Thrice-come Ruin debuff as the new standard punishment for eating mechanics.

I assume they did it in Delubrum Reginae mostly to discourage lazy play from people using tanky essences that make surviving hits easy regardless of your role.

I very much agree, though I'd prefer they not attach a damage down to it. Maybe do it in stages of three: first is the warning, second the damage down and third death. Just so it allows uptime shenanigans but with a "word of caution," so to speak.

Mechanics should be respected now, not when they actually hurt. When SE makes things actually hurt the negative side of this idea will rear its ugly head. Old habbits die hard, so the more players who think its OK to stand in AOE now. The harder its going to be break players of it when mechanics hurt. Saw this happen in WoW going from wrath to Cata, dungeon difficulty jumped back to BC levels. Community lost its mind over the difficulty and all the players who couldnt handle it.

Why? This game is notorious for vastly undertuning most content. I'll adapt when I'm threatened not because of some silly respect factor. Mechanics are essentially a math equation. If they aren't doing enough to impact me, they may as well not be there. If those same mechanics suddenly started killing players or applying Twice/Thrice-come ruin, you bet people would be far more cautious. It's up to the devs to make us care in the same sense if they prefer healers to focus more on healing, if them stuff to actually heal.