Parsers add replayability for casual players

[DynnDiablos]

The abuse that would come from elitist players toward casuals with the implementation of parsers would be disastrous. You'd see many people leave

[Lanadra]

I still don't understand the argument against a parser. From everything that has been said, it just sounds like people don't wanna have to be forced to pull their own weight. I can already envision scenarios in PF with "Must pull 20k", which in that case, if you can't pull those numbers either due to gear/skill, then form your own group with likeminded players.

I still don't understand the argument for a parser. The status quo as it is works. Everyone who wants to use one can use one. Everyone who doesn't, doesn't have to be bothered by it. This here is quite literally a working compromise that averts an outright enforced ban of these tools. That's what all you pro parser people don't seem to get. SE does not want parsers, they've made this clear again and again. The current situation is a compromise that allows people who want/need to use one to use one under a 'don't ask don't tell policy'. Do you want them to start adding tools to scan for parsers instead? Followed by banwaves?

It might surprise you but sometimes it's actually not a bad idea to let sleeping dogs lie.

[DynnDiablos]

You’d have zero evidence I was even using a parser. And I typically run on PS4, so good luck with that. I hope you realize most folk here are both disagreeing with you and laughing at your ridiculous and honestly childish opinions. But enjoy maintaining your genuinely abysmal mindset.

Now that I know you're on my DC, I will take note if I ever end up in a party with you to abandon immediately. I rather take a 30-minute penalty than deal with someone with your attitude.

[WoW]

Answer: got tired of that treadmill years ago, flatly decided I didnt want to do it anymore. I have been invited SEVERAL times to join savage statics, I politely declined stating the days of me scheduling my life around a video game are gone forever.

I also have all jobs at 80, have enjoyed myself IMMENSELY. Whether one chooses to do "hard content" is irrelevant and no ones business but theirs, is it not?

You will find that a LOT of people who fit your "model" are in that category, we can do it any time we choose to, we simply are NOT INTERESTED in doing so. FF 14 isnt on a raid or die model, there is a ton to do outside savage and extreme, and we simply choose to follow what suits US.

Spent an entire day gathering craft mats, crafting gear, chatting to people, doing some old maps, generally goofing around for the fun of it.

I could, if I wish, hit Bozja and grind out a relic weapon, but TBH again, it just doesnt interest me..there are a load of "glowy" weapons to glam from, so I dont see a need. I am aware it will be BIS for the latest patch, after that, it wont be, will it?

I log on when I want, do as I wish, log off as I choose, when I choose to, play as suits me. Im retired, and with that retirement came a small benefit I havent enjoyed in a long time..my time is my own to do as I wish, when I wish.



We are happy with what we have accomplished, and have nothing to prove to anyone. Been there, done that, got the t shirt, the coffee mug and the mouse mat.

Not doing it anymore.

Doing EX is not hard content lmao! And those saying "I need a static to do content" are simply asking to be carried by the static, since they know pugs will kick them out for their poor gameplay. You don't need a static to do content. But that doesn't mean you can't look for one if you have the time for it or want further improvement.

Pugs can do everything up to savage difficulty, including clearing all floors week1. If just asking you to improve in the massive free time you have a lot to ask for, then don't complain when people call you bad! At least those saying they don't have time to improve do have a bit of an excuse.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Now that I know you're on my DC, I will take note if I ever end up in a party with you to abandon immediately. I rather take a 30-minute penalty than deal with someone with your attitude.

The feeling is indeed very mutual.

[Liam_Harper]

The day an ingame parser is allowed in FF 14 with data that can be publically shared, is the day we see "that guy" spamming dps meters and screaming abuse in Sastasha.

And he'd be immediately banned because the GM's have a zero tolerance policy on harassment and abuse in general...

[WoW]

At least someone realized the error of their ways and not to continue on with their nonsense about parsers.

Now that I know you're on my DC, I will take note if I ever end up in a party with you to abandon immediately. I rather take a 30-minute penalty than deal with someone with your attitude.

If only all casuals would follow in your footsteps. If only...

[Goji1639]

And he'd be immediately banned because the GM's have a zero tolerance policy on harassment and abuse in general...

So, the new player still gets harassed and humiliated in front of the group, potentially deciding then and there he doesn't enjoy this game, and the harasser gets banned. SE potentially loses 2 paying customers as the parser issue gets sorted out.

As opposed to the parser not existing; the Satasha "elitist" isn't emboldened to attack the new player by seeing just how severely he's struggling, and the new player gets to walk away from his first dungeon not feeling like crap.

I think we know which scenario SE would prefer.

[VelKallor]

As opposed to the parser not existing;

And it never will..a fact that seems to have escaped some.

This entire discussion is academic. Im off to craft some stuff for a friend. Have a great night all.

(...........now, where did I put those deepgold ingots... )

[Liam_Harper]

As opposed to the parser not existing; the Satasha "elitist" isn't emboldened to attack the new player by seeing just how severely he's struggling, and the new player gets to walk away from his first dungeon not feeling like crap.

Someone who is bold enough to harass and attack a new player in Satasha, despite knowing it's breaking ToS, is not going to be a shining example of the community because a parser doesn't exist. A parser does not turn kind hearted individuals into raving monsters.
The abuser will either have ACT on in the background anyway and simply harass the new player for being "bad" without mentioning numbers or be the type to hurl abuse at tanks for going too fast or slow or healers for doing dps or not doing dps or pretty much anything else. Those players exist, even if we put our fingers in our ears and pretend it's all flowers and sunshine because we banned performance tools.

The biggest difference from WoW and FF14 is the zero tolerance on harassment. From my experience in WoW, the GM's don't really care. You can hurl all sorts of abuse, corpse camp, grief or insult players without consequence. They've developed a "grow a thicker skin" attitude, where complaining about abuse is looked down on. This encourages toxic behavior more than any tool.

FF14 Devs have a good attitude on harassment. But the hand-holding safety bubble attitude of pretending everyone is a nice person by hiding away every tool or indication of performance isn't healthy. There is a lot of toxicity bubbling away beneath the surface in the community. It builds resentment. It's why parser topics always end up in a "casual vs elitist" argument. Things like:

your toxic elitist bullshit

I trust some elite prick to understand

...don't really help the case for the casual side either. The anti-parser policy ends up as a way to stifle many people with valid concerns, who get frustrated at being expected to shut up and do unpaid, thankless work carrying instances. Toxicity in ff14 definitely exists but ends up more subtle, silent kicks, rushing the tank in dungeons, dps pulling mobs, people ditching PF groups after a wipe or two, passive-aggressive comments, silently refusing to rez "bad" players, going afk or losing interest in trying, mentors rarely mentoring and so on. There's a lot of built up frustration.