Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Nethereal]

Considering over the course of rank 1-15 I got maybe 3-7 of the "good" essences I needed to stay alive or do extra damage I'm wondering where you're getting all these consistent drops.

It's RNG to get, RNG to "appraise" and you're also expecting hours of grinding ON TOP of the mindless grind to get to 15 and get the weapons or else I'm a "leech"?



Gee.. why do so many people hate Bozja? I wonder.

Grinding for 10h at level 15 is not the same as grinding for 10h between 1-15.

[Krotoan]

Grinding for 10h at level 15 is not the same as grinding for 10h between 1-15.

So far at 15 I have not noticed an incredible increase in the amount of drops on trash. So now rather than do duties and other content I'm locked to grinding forever in Bozja while making next to no progress on anything just so someone else can save 15 -25 minutes on one or two runs? .. Whee.

If I can manage the mechanics and have my rotation down, I think that's plenty. It ain't savage.

[LittleImp]

Considering over the course of rank 1-15 I got maybe 3-7 of the "good" essences I needed to stay alive or do extra damage I'm wondering where you're getting all these consistent drops.

It's RNG to get, RNG to "appraise" and you're also expecting hours of grinding ON TOP of the mindless grind to get to 15 and get the weapons or else I'm a "leech"?



Gee.. why do so many people hate Bozja? I wonder.

I don't think Bozja is good either, but it's pretty clear you just don't understand how fragments actually drop and where essences come from. Your lack of essences is a direct consequence of your ignorance, not the design of the content in this case.

Mobs in the first area have an increased drop rate to accommodate the first few quests where you need to obtain fragments. Mass pull and kill the plants, orbons and mudpuppys outside of the spawn fort. This is a common method to get the Bozjan Earring, which requires you to appraise 1000 fragments. Getting the 15 essences necessary to cover all of your DR runs should take less than 20 minutes. You can also buy all of these fragments from the marketboard if you don't feel like spending 20 minutes killing mobs.

Alternatively, you can cluster farm in a dedicated group and easily buy a ton of pure essences, which are even more powerful than standard essences.

I've seen 55 minute runs of DR, and I've seen 25 minute runs of DR. I've had entire runs of Lacus Litore be forced to abort because 5 essence-less DPS volunteer for Lyon and wiped the raid. The difference essences bring for the ease they can obtained is staggering.

Anyone who refuses to put in 15-20 minutes of preparation to pull their weight in the ~10 hours they are going to spend in DR doing 15 runs, they are absolutely a leech.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

So far at 15 I have not noticed an incredible increase in the amount of drops on trash. So now rather than do duties and other content I'm locked to grinding forever in Bozja while making next to no progress on anything just so someone else can save 15 -25 minutes on one or two runs? .. Whee.

If I can manage the mechanics and have my rotation down, I think that's plenty. It ain't savage.

That's because those frags have fixed drop rate from certain mobs. They don't and have never changed. They are not exactly random either. Know what you're farming for and the mobs that drops 'em. Shout in chat to form a full frag farming group and you'll walk out with at least 80-100 if not, more useable essences after roughly an hour of farming.

All you need to get started is to have 1 puller (properly equipped with correct setup) and 1-2 mob clearer to farm in one specific area. In a party of 8 you can have 3 separate group (3/3/2) to farm in 3 different area and still get ALL of the spoils. Heck if you're short of manpower, a BLM can solo farm one area by slapping an Essence of Beast and stay in Umbral Ice mode to spam Lost Flare Star.

Then, there are also few outliers (myself included): I solo farm frags randomly while waiting for CLL mostly. I'd do CE sometimes to take a break from the monotonous farm and by some chance I'd land myself in a party in said CE. Past CE, I went back to my frag farming spot and does not leave the party. They can enjoy the free loots, Idm. There is literally no downside in staying in a party, but 9 out of 10 times I would see these players simply leaving the party despite meeting again and again from subsequent CEs. Yo, they could've enjoyed those free loots I'm farming if they stayed. Sadly they don't. They could've asked if I want to register the subsequent CE spawns to make sure they can enter in case I don't wish to enter together---again, sadly they don't.

Don't like forming a group for the sake of solo enjoyment? There's Bozjan Nepenthe (and another type of rank I mob just outside of the home base) for skill fragments, and Red Chocobo (and another type of rank II mob next to their area) for awakening fragments, they are all soloable with reasonable pull size. What usually occurs however, are players usually plain lazy, doesn't invest enough time, or simply doing it wrong. That's it.
/shrug

[Krotoan]

That's because those frags have fixed drop rate from certain mobs. They don't and have never changed. They are not exactly random either. Know what you're farming for and the mobs that drops 'em. Shout in chat to form a full frag farming group and you'll walk out with at least 80-100 if not, more useable essences after roughly an hour of farming.

All you need to get started is to have 1 puller (properly equipped with correct setup) and 1-2 mob clearer to farm in one specific area. In a party of 8 you can have 3 separate group (3/3/2) to farm in 3 different area and still get ALL of the spoils. Heck if you're short of manpower, a BLM can solo farm one area by slapping an Essence of Beast and stay in Umbral Ice mode to spam Lost Flare Star.

Don't like forming a group for the sake of solo enjoyment? There's Bozjan Nepenthe (and another type of rank I mob just outside of the home base) for skill fragments, and Red Chocobo (and another type of rank II mob next to their area) for awakening fragments, they are all soloable with reasonable pull size. What usually occurs however, are players usually plain lazy, doesn't invest enough time, or simply doing it wrong. That's it.
/shrug

I don't think Bozja is good either, but it's pretty clear you just don't understand how fragments actually drop and where essences come from. Your lack of essences is a direct consequence of your ignorance, not the design of the content in this case.

Mobs in the first area have an increased drop rate to accommodate the first few quests where you need to obtain fragments. Mass pull and kill the plants, orbons and mudpuppys outside of the spawn fort. This is a common method to get the Bozjan Earring, which requires you to appraise 1000 fragments. Getting the 15 essences necessary to cover all of your DR runs should take less than 20 minutes. You can also buy all of these fragments from the marketboard if you don't feel like spending 20 minutes killing mobs.

Alternatively, you can cluster farm in a dedicated group and easily buy a ton of pure essences, which are even more powerful than standard essences.

I've seen 55 minute runs of DR, and I've seen 25 minute runs of DR. I've had entire runs of Lacus Litore be forced to abort because 5 essence-less DPS volunteer for Lyon and wiped the raid. The difference essences bring for the ease they can obtained is staggering.

Anyone who refuses to put in 15-20 minutes of preparation to pull their weight in the ~10 hours they are going to spend in DR doing 15 runs, they are absolutely a leech.

Both of these posts being very helpful and showing again, how bad the content is and the disconnect between someone who lives it and someone who does it because it's locking what they want behind it.

Thank you both for your assistance and this should make this easier... though not any more enjoyable.

[Goji1639]

It is easy to get essences, and I get you are just for the relic but your reason for being is moot. You be willing to do the bare min of just running around to get essences to speed up the process for everyone including yourself.

First, I don't think the essences for DPS classes are a significant DPS increase. They mainly seem to just make DPS tankier; which is kind of moot since I'm not really dying much. The few I've gotten that do increase my DPS seem trivial, so I'm not going to sit around Bozja farming them.

This is what happens when you tie the relic to a dumb gimmick zone most people don't enjoy; they're going to do the bare minimum. If showing up with only Lost Cures stops working I'll consider either spending more time in Bozja or dropping the relic entirely. Until then, the situation is what it is.

[Goji1639]

You can get 100+ of the tank/healer damage essences in like an hour by just running back and forth hitting the mobs directly outside of the spawn hub in bozja. Getting 15 to cover your DR runs is trivial and would take less than 15 minutes.

If you are unwilling to do that to do 60-72% more DPS and help a DR run go significantly faster, you're a leech.

I'm level 14 in Bozja and I only have like 10 of the tank damage essences. You're either lying or lucky. Either way I'm not running DR as a tank class.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

First, I don't think the essences for DPS classes are a significant DPS increase. They mainly seem to just make DPS tankier; which is kind of moot since I'm not really dying much. The few I've gotten that do increase my DPS seem trivial, so I'm not going to sit around Bozja farming them.

DPS have...
Essence of Skirmisher
Increases damage dealt by 20% and critical hit rate by 15%

If that much is still not 'significant' by your standard then I'm unsure how large do you want an increase to be, considering DPSes already have their own damage increasing traits. I'm not even going to type the rest of DPS' essences because they are either harder to farm (Deep Essences and Pure Essences) or rather scarce by comparison (again, Deep Essences). Even that, regular Skirmisher is already a potent buff.

I'm level 14 in Bozja and I only have like 10 of the tank damage essences. You're either lying or lucky. Either way I'm not running DR as a tank class.

I'll use LittleImp's post since you're quoting them:

I don't think Bozja is good either, but it's pretty clear you just don't understand how fragments actually drop and where essences come from. Your lack of essences is a direct consequence of your ignorance, not the design of the content in this case.

Mobs in the first area have an increased drop rate to accommodate the first few quests where you need to obtain fragments. Mass pull and kill the plants, orbons and mudpuppys outside of the spawn fort. This is a common method to get the Bozjan Earring, which requires you to appraise 1000 fragments. Getting the 15 essences necessary to cover all of your DR runs should take less than 20 minutes. You can also buy all of these fragments from the marketboard if you don't feel like spending 20 minutes killing mobs.

Alternatively, you can cluster farm in a dedicated group and easily buy a ton of pure essences, which are even more powerful than standard essences.

[Caurcas]

First, I don't think the essences for DPS classes are a significant DPS increase. They mainly seem to just make DPS tankier; which is kind of moot since I'm not really dying much. The few I've gotten that do increase my DPS seem trivial, so I'm not going to sit around Bozja farming them.

This is what happens when you tie the relic to a dumb gimmick zone most people don't enjoy; they're going to do the bare minimum. If showing up with only Lost Cures stops working I'll consider either spending more time in Bozja or dropping the relic entirely. Until then, the situation is what it is.

Bruh the DR essences are huge buffs.

[AngelCheese77]

Running Castrum right now with a a50 Conj. Why? They didn’t see class quests necessary