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  1. #31201
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    Cincierta's Avatar
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    Alaha Vellonnu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    Perhaps, but if people are dying, your job is to heal. When I play healers I kinda prefer my people alive over my personal DPS.
    Most content doesn't require that much healing unless people are just simply not paying attention to mechanics or any sort of avoidable damage. Sitting and raising people who die because of it makes you as a healer, a sitting duck for about 7-8 seconds. I only have so many ocgds to keep a party alive, and hardcasting Cure2/Adlo/Benefic 2 on someone that will just instantly die again to the next mechanic makes me want to prioritize the people that are actually staying alive.

    Speaking of, my alt just got out of a Rabanasty raid where not only was the dps low and I started to see mechanics that I haven't seen in a long while, people were dying to avoidable damage left and right, including some people in my own party. It wasn't fun.
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    This one is beyond your help. Only sleep can save her now.

  2. #31202
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cincierta View Post
    Most content doesn't require that much healing unless people are just simply not paying attention to mechanics or any sort of avoidable damage. Sitting and raising people who die because of it makes you as a healer, a sitting duck for about 7-8 seconds. I only have so many ocgds to keep a party alive, and hardcasting Cure2/Adlo/Benefic 2 on someone that will just instantly die again to the next mechanic makes me want to prioritize the people that are actually staying alive.

    Speaking of, my alt just got out of a Rabanasty raid where not only was the dps low and I started to see mechanics that I haven't seen in a long while, people were dying to avoidable damage left and right, including some people in my own party. It wasn't fun.
    Pretty much.. I try not to hardcast raise unless I REALLY need to. Like the whole party being dead for some reason, and there's an RDM/SMN or other healer who can then raise others. oGCD heals are usually more than enough for most content. I barely ever have to use cure in high(er) level dungeons even, if the tank/DPS are competent.

    I kind of wish content was a bit more healing intensive really. Half my kit is mostly worthless, unless players are really badly failing mechanics.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 05-24-2021 at 06:26 AM.
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  3. #31203
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    TheMightyMollusk's Avatar
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I'd argue drinking Mountain Dew is worse than any long game session. Well, any kind of Soda really, but Mountain Dew specifically is one of the worst.

    Don't drink Soda kids.
    You can pry my Dr Pepper from my cold dead heads.
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  4. #31204
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    I have noticed this a lot when doing Alliance Raid/Normal Raid/Trial Roulette as a DPS. For some reason the healers are dpsing instead of healing.
    Almost nothing will make me want to heal if the upcoming damage is either avoidable or not going to kill the players, except if my guts tell me they will screw up & I have to pitch in to prevent their death. So why not fill in that gap by being a Glare/Broil/Malefic-bot? Even more so when my co-healer are the ones that likes to panic heal upon every tiniest scratches. C'mon, let my Eos/Selene do their job lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cincierta View Post
    my alt just got out of a Rabanasty raid where not only was the dps low and I started to see mechanics that I haven't seen in a long while, people were dying to avoidable damage left and right, including some people in my own party. It wasn't fun.
    And here, I just got out of Ridorana raid that lasts for roughly 43m as an RDM. Wiped at Famfrit once for ignoring the adds entirely. After that wipe I sorta woke up from being half asleep and start to pay more attention. Deaths are....not 'too' much. But there are at least 5-8 deaths per encounters per parties. I'm unsure if that much deaths would affect raidwide dps that much, but for the raid to last as long as 43m (and it's not even NieR raid), it feels like such a drag. Seen healer LB3 popping here and there from other parties; I also helped with my own party's raises.

    Walked out with 3 comms that I'm almost pretty sure 2 came from the healers. All those consecutive Medica II/Asp Helios kinda tells me they were panicking, a lot. At that point I scrolled up a bit and see they're both first timers. Oops, no wonder.
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    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  5. #31205
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    Kaoru_Nagisa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    One out of three times however, whoever that also chugs down profane after me leaving only 1 healer to handle large chunk of healings by themselves, they suck, BY MILES.
    DRn is a special kind of cursed and I know it's only going to get worse come the next stage on Tuesday, because people will be rushing to try getting the last stage done.

    What always gets me personally is seeing someone going Profane without Seraph Strike, or Irregular without... you know, using cooldowns or Reflect to survive. (Seen that many a time too, please don't use Irregular if you don't know how to hit cooldowns to not insta-die from how much extra damage you take!!)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    You can pry my Dr Pepper from my cold dead heads.
    A person of culture. There's a reason I always keep something you've said quoted in my sig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisama View Post
    The average playerbase is mindbogglingly bad at this game.
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    Expecting basic job mechanics is toxic now?
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  6. #31206
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
    DRn is a special kind of cursed and I know it's only going to get worse come the next stage on Tuesday, because people will be rushing to try getting the last stage done.
    The few runs of done since I came back have been some of the longest runs I have ever been in in DR. They are taking FOREVER.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 05-24-2021 at 11:17 AM.
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  7. #31207
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
    DRn is a special kind of cursed and I know it's only going to get worse come the next stage on Tuesday, because people will be rushing to try getting the last stage done.
    Suddenly you've reminded me to prepare my mental well-being in case said cursed runs only gets worse. God, please no...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
    What always gets me personally is seeing someone going Profane without Seraph Strike, or Irregular without... you know, using cooldowns or Reflect to survive. (Seen that many a time too, please don't use Irregular if you don't know how to hit cooldowns to not insta-die from how much extra damage you take!!)
    Personally I wouldn't go as far as to expect Seraph Strike being paired with Profane... but I do understand where you're coming from. My only hope is for them to actually read and SEE with their own eyes how terrible their heals are after chugging down Profane. Raptures are exception because I know that as a profane user myself I'd burn them for movement, opening up weave window for stuffs like Lucid, Temperance or Asylum, and fueling Misery. But other GCDs? Even under Profane? Isn't the number -70% reduce in healing potency ain't enough to discourage them from spamming them? Or are they mistaking the healing received from their co-heal as their own heals? or worse, -70% reduce in enemy's healing potency? (Please no... lol) /shrug

    No comment with Irregular case though, I completely agree with you there.
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    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  8. #31208
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    Kaoru_Nagisa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    The few runs of done since I came back have been some of the longest runs I have ever been in in DR. They are taking FOREVER.
    Yeah, a good DRn run should only take maybe 25~30mins max. I think the one with the "all profane no healing" group took almost an hour and a half, and the one with the griefing tank on Queen took at least an hour. It's exhausting and part of why I'm glad I don't want/need/like all the relics so far.

    (Now watch the next stage relics look amazing and I cry as I have to go back in there and do them)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Suddenly you've reminded me to prepare my mental well-being in case said cursed runs only gets worse. God, please no...

    Personally I wouldn't go as far as to expect Seraph Strike being paired with Profane... but I do understand where you're coming from. My only hope is for them to actually read and SEE with their own eyes how terrible their heals are after chugging down Profane. Raptures are exception because I know that as a profane user myself I'd burn them for movement, opening up weave window for stuffs like Lucid, Temperance or Asylum, and fueling Misery. But other GCDs? Even under Profane? Isn't the number -70% reduce in healing potency ain't enough to discourage them from spamming them? Or are they mistaking the healing received from their co-heal as their own heals? or worse, -70% reduce in enemy's healing potency? (Please no... lol) /shrug

    No comment with Irregular case though, I completely agree with you there.
    Yeah, maybe expecting SS with Profane is a little much - though I feel like Profane shines best when paired with it, and if it comes down to two healers popping Profane (with final healer struggling solo), with one of them not having SS... yeah, seems like one of those times they need to reevaluate the situation.

    I've given up hope of people reading what any of their essences do, though. Most of the time I'm just happy when people pop essences at all. ;_;
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    Last edited by Kaoru_Nagisa; 05-24-2021 at 11:19 AM.
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    Expecting basic job mechanics is toxic now?
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  9. #31209
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
    Yeah, maybe expecting SS with Profane is a little much - though I feel like Profane shines best when paired with it, and if it comes down to two healers popping Profane (with final healer struggling solo), with one of them not having SS... yeah, seems like one of those times they need to reevaluate the situation.

    I've given up hope of people reading what any of their essences do, though. Most of the time I'm just happy when people pop essences at all. ;_;
    It is partly because how abundant Profane is and the potential scarcity of SS. Not to mention they require R15 so I figured it'll do my mind more peace by not expecting too much. Heck, I am with you. My personal quirk in any DRn I went into, is that I always cast Lost Bravery to anybody in the party that pops essences. -Any- kind of essences (yes, even Platebearer, despite being remotely useful). No essence? No buff for them. It's a sort of my 'thank you' for putting at least some kind of effort into going in without being empty-handed.
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    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  10. #31210
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    Avidria's Avatar
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    Avi Taro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
    Yeah, a good DRn run should only take maybe 25~30mins max.
    Holy crap, I don't think I've ever had one that fast. I thought the 39 minute one we had earlier was pretty freaking fast O.o and I've had the fastest DRs I've ever had over the last two days lol
    Where are these good groups hiding out at man
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    "Run when you have to, fight when you must, rest when you can." - Elyas Machera, The Wheel of Time

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