Zodiark: Good or evil? thoughts

[KizuyaKatogami]

Again, the Ascians are cruel to each other. Fandaniel quite obviously doesn't want to save the world: he wants to destroy it. (At least so he says, and the only way he can be redeemed is by the story going "actually he's lying because Reasons".) Emet-Selch wants to rejoin the worlds to restore the lost Amaurotines via further sacrifice, and in doing so he doesn't even bother to check up on what happened to Mitron. Elidibus doesn't even remember why he's doing what he does, and he's the nicest Ascian we've met apart from Gaia. Lahabrea keeps ranting about the One True God, so he's clearly out of it, to the point where when his True Death is confirmed, Emet-Selch went "lol he was dumb". I don't even know what Nabriales was trying to do other than gloat at us for whatever reason.

And Mitron attempts to forcibly keep Loghrif by his side, despite her express denial as Gaia, so he's definitely evil, in the "sexual harassment lawsuit" kind of way.

None of this is necessary to cause the rejoinings. The Ascians we've met (again, other than Gaia/Loghrif) were cruel for the sake of being petty jerks.

So yes, I believe the Ascians are evil, because they don't even treat each other as equals and respected colleagues.

Did you really just compare Mitron and Loghrif’s situation as the “sexual harassment lawsuit” kind of way?Seriously?

[EaraGrace]

Did you really just compare Mitron and Loghrif’s situation as the “sexual harassment lawsuit” kind of way?Seriously?

Given the attempt to directly strip her of her memories so as to make her fall in love with him again, yeah parallels with sexual violence are applicable.

The Sundering is not presented as a positive thing or a stable state and everything that came afterwards is a consequence of the Sundering itself. It's worth noting, the Ascians initially attempted to work with the Sundered and even lived amongst them - only to find them lacking and far removed from their own loved ones who they wished to bring back. Some of the Scions outright admit that they would do the same thing if placed in Emet-Selch's position.

A position they quickly reject as such rejoinings would results in millions of innocents dying, to which Emet responds by claiming they were not human ergo he wouldn’t be murdering them.

We can recognize the position the Unsundered were in without ignoring the very real ways they tried to justify genocide.

[Lord_Umbra]

Given the attempt to directly strip her of her memories so as to make her fall in love with him again, yeah parallels with sexual violence are applicable.



A position they quickly reject as such rejoinings would results in millions of innocents dying, to which Emet responds by claiming they were not human ergo he wouldn’t be murdering them.

We can recognize the position the Unsundered were in without ignoring the very real ways they tried to justify genocide.

Well Ryne & WoL are no different to Mitron, we're also forcing Gaia to be the Gaia we know & the entire Eden plot is Ryne forcing herself on Gaia who wants nothing to do with her for like 70% of Eden story. Mitron is more a sad soul who just wanted his lover back. Also he was & wasn't taking her memories his goal was remove memories of us & give her back her original memories, basically we liked Amnesiac Gaia & wanted to keep her instead of given her memories back.

I'd say Mitron wasn't perfect but no one was perfect in how either side dealt with Gaia in Eden.