Zodiark: Good or evil? thoughts

[KizuyaKatogami]

Honestly my view is that whether Zodiark is good or evil is, in the end, almost entirely irrelevant. The bit that matters is that his (self-proclaimed) representatives, the Ascians, are definitely evil.

By which I mean how every Ascian we've met has been pointlessly cruel, including to their own. The first time we see any Ascian care about another is in the Eden raids, with Mitron and Loghrif, and at that point it was already twisted into a creepy possessive thing. Even Elidibus was concerned more with his (imperfect) memories of the Convocation, not what the Ascians had actually become.

And when the Unsundered all perished and the Sundered were free to do their own thing, one of them went creepy-possessive, and another went "let's destroy the world".

So if Zodiark wants to be seen as not-evil, he'd need to fire all the Ascians and get better employees.

Except again, it’s perspective. I wouldn’t see them as evil so much as trying to restore their world and loved ones back to how they were. Again, if we want to get technical, the rejoinings would save more lives than just keeping the world sundered. I’m so shocked honestly that people still continue to call them villains or zodiark is evil or they’re evil when the devs themselves said there is no good or there is no evil. Yoshi P specifically wanted this to be a story that isn’t black and white.

[YianKutku]

Except again, it’s perspective. I wouldn’t see them as evil so much as trying to restore their world and loved ones back to how they were. Again, if we want to get technical, the rejoinings would save more lives than just keeping the world sundered. I’m so shocked honestly that people still continue to call them villains or zodiark is evil or they’re evil when the devs themselves said there is no good or there is no evil. Yoshi P specifically wanted this to be a story that isn’t black and white.

Again, the Ascians are cruel to each other. Fandaniel quite obviously doesn't want to save the world: he wants to destroy it. (At least so he says, and the only way he can be redeemed is by the story going "actually he's lying because Reasons".) Emet-Selch wants to rejoin the worlds to restore the lost Amaurotines via further sacrifice, and in doing so he doesn't even bother to check up on what happened to Mitron. Elidibus doesn't even remember why he's doing what he does, and he's the nicest Ascian we've met apart from Gaia. Lahabrea keeps ranting about the One True God, so he's clearly out of it, to the point where when his True Death is confirmed, Emet-Selch went "lol he was dumb". I don't even know what Nabriales was trying to do other than gloat at us for whatever reason.

And Mitron attempts to forcibly keep Loghrif by his side, despite her express denial as Gaia, so he's definitely evil, in the "sexual harassment lawsuit" kind of way.

None of this is necessary to cause the rejoinings. The Ascians we've met (again, other than Gaia/Loghrif) were cruel for the sake of being petty jerks.

So yes, I believe the Ascians are evil, because they don't even treat each other as equals and respected colleagues.

[Alleo]

So yes, I believe the Ascians are evil, because they don't even treat each other as equals and respected colleagues.

I felt a bit bad for Mitron even if he was also kinda creepy. We basically learned that the sundered Ascians just get their old memories back and seeing how he tried to force it with Gaia who knows how many of the sundered even truly wanted it? They after all were reborn into the worlds and may have gotten family and friends. And suddenly they are overrun by these old memories from people that they are no longer.

And then you have Mitron who then fought for then and after he was turned into Eden Emet and the other unsundered left him there...how very cruel...but I guess even if you are with them, as long as you are sundered you are still not worth much. So even if I find Emet and Elidibus interesting and can understand their views I was kinda a bit disgusted how they threated the others.

About the question of the thread itself: Honestly I dont know. He will probably behave the way he was created for. The question will remain on how they thought of him...maybe it will also depend if old primals like Zodiark and Hydaelny can have a bit of their own agenda.