Male Viera names?

[Iscah]

I've read the answer to the second question four times and I still don't know what it's trying to say.

Taking it at face value, it seems like Matsuno is saying "they have a different set of norms". Which is both very obvious and completely facile to observe. Two families living as neighbours can have different norms when it comes to gender environments. What is more interesting is what happens when someone doesn't fit into the rigid box, and Matsuno has apparently deliberately decided not to answer that part of the question, hiding behind cultural essentialism.

I'm not sure where the confusion is, but I think he's mostly addressing the "so they just accept it?" bit and taking the second sentence as a remark rather than a question to be answered.

And yeah, they'd just be raised to accept (or at least know) that at some point some of them will turn out to be male and will need to take up their duty as Wood-Warders.

In any case it's not "you have to leave the village now", it's "you'll be apprenticed to the next Warder who visits the village".

[YianKutku]

I'm not sure where the confusion is, but I think he's mostly addressing the "so they just accept it?" bit and taking the second sentence as a remark rather than a question to be answered.

And yeah, they'd just be raised to accept (or at least know) that at some point some of them will turn out to be male and will need to take up their duty as Wood-Warders.

In any case it's not "you have to leave the village now", it's "you'll be apprenticed to the next Warder who visits the village".

The second sentence seems rather clearly an elaboration of the first, by bringing up a possible example reaction to the Viera rituals surrounding puberty. And Matsuno's answer seems rather dismissive with "well, their culture is different".

What would have made it clear is if Matsuno explained what those who disagree with the culture will feel and likely do. He could presumably do so within the character limit by removing the first sentence of his answer, which is "our environment contains arbitrary gender essentialism divides that affect how we think". And the next sentence states the Viera also have an arbitrary gender essentialism divide, but "different" somehow, and "[not] like that".

EDIT: To make it clearer, Matsuno could have said "in our world now, we try to allow boys and girls to be what they want. But Viera aren't raised like that, and they believe that boys and girls must have strictly different roles." That would make the statements clearer to me.

[Iscah]

EDIT: To make it clearer, Matsuno could have said "in our world now, we try to allow boys and girls to be what they want. But Viera aren't raised like that, and they believe that boys and girls must have strictly different roles." That would make the statements clearer to me.

That's the opposite of what he's saying.

The first part of the statement is about human culture. Humans have a concept of male and female as children and have different expectations placed on them depending on whether they are a boy or a girl.

For us a big influence while growing up is our environment, "As a girl/boy this is what you have to do and how you have to behave".

In that sense, Viera aren't raised like that. Their approach to education and raising keeps this in mind. The surrounding enviroment is different to our present age.

Viera do not have that "big influence" because they have no concept of boys and girls. The rest of the statement is vague but it seems simple enough to me that would mean that they're not raised with the concept. They're not preparing some children to be future warders and some to be future villagers, they just treat them all the same.

[YianKutku]

That's the opposite of what he's saying.

The first part of the statement is about human culture. Humans have a concept of male and female as children and have different expectations placed on them depending on whether they are a boy or a girl.



Viera do not have that "big influence" because they have no concept of boys and girls. The rest of the statement is vague but it seems simple enough to me that would mean that they're not raised with the concept. They're not preparing some children to be future warders and some to be future villagers, they just treat them all the same.

Except all Viera are eventually divided into warders and villagers, not due to skill or aptitude, but due to biological gender. This means it is gender essentialism, and an arbitrary one.

Hence my comment that it's not actually that different between the "human example" Matsuno gave and the Viera example. Humans may have different expectations of male and female children, but these expectations are arbitrary, and have very little to do with actual biology. And in modern society (and definitely in Eorzea), there is a drive towards examining those expectations and allowing for greater crossover.

Viera may not have the arbitrary expectation between children, but they demonstrably have them between adults. So either Matsuno is saying "Humans and Viera are the same in having weird expectations between male and female", or he's saying "Humans and Viera are different, because Humans try to look past biological (and assigned) gender, while Viera keep strictly to them". But the way he phrased it seems to wobble between the two.