[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

[LaylaTsarra]

I wonder where SE has drawn the line with that internally, because that could be telling. Is it a certain set of features combined that crosses into teen-looking territory for SE? Or maybe it's just at 'explicitly a child'.

Some of the discussion and fan art in the male Viera thread was pretty disturbing to some and in my view created a backlash about having the racial additions at all.

I love races in this game and wish we could have a lot more. It's why I play so many alts so I don't have to fantasia to enjoy them. Personally for me the male Viera seem a bit too boyish for my tastes but that's me and it's what the developers decided they wanted. I wouldn't like to see racial height differences like male/female au ra but as I've stated many times those height decisions have been made and they will be what they will be. I'm hoping and some of the indications by fan made comparisons seem to show they will be similar in height to the females which I would like to see personally.

[Renik]

I wonder where SE has drawn the line with that internally, because that could be telling. Is it a certain set of features combined that crosses into teen-looking territory for SE? Or maybe it's just at 'explicitly a child'.

Child-like and literal children, padjal for example, honestly I already think a female au ra on the min slider is way too close to child-like.

In the Japanese forums some user requested for male viera to fill a gap between lala a miqo, it was obviously a big no, I think that what some people want, males being shorter than miqo already falls in this category.

[Fukuro]

I wonder where SE has drawn the line with that internally, because that could be telling. Is it a certain set of features combined that crosses into teen-looking territory for SE? Or maybe it's just at 'explicitly a child'.

i think he (yoshi-p) even made the comparison to the twins, that something like that wouldn‘t be possible, because they are too similar to young kids. and with what certain modders are capable of, i kind of understand.

[Yencat]

In the Japanese forums some user requested for male viera to fill a gap between lala a miqo, it was obviously a big no, I think that what some people want, males being shorter than miqo already falls in this category.

Personally for me the male Viera seem a bit too boyish for my tastes but that's me and it's what the developers decided they wanted. I wouldn't like to see racial height differences like male/female au ra but as I've stated many times those height decisions have been made and they will be what they will be. I'm hoping and some of the indications by fan made comparisons seem to show they will be similar in height to the females which I would like to see personally.

That's kind of what I was getting at yeah. They seem to have pretty fair features and lither bodies than male Miqo'te, so would them being able to be very short on top of that cross into that uncomfortable teen-looking space for SE? It's possible.

i think he (yoshi-p) even made the comparison to the twins, that something like that wouldn‘t be possible, because they are too similar to young kids. and with what certain modders are capable of, i kind of understand.

I definitely understand as well.

[Senn]

i think he (yoshi-p) even made the comparison to the twins, that something like that wouldn‘t be possible, because they are too similar to young kids. and with what certain modders are capable of, i kind of understand.

I think a race like lyn from blade and soul would be nice personally, but I know the devs are concerned about the negative perception that would bring due to inappropriate mods. While I'm of the mind that gross people will continue to be gross no matter what, I understand where the concern is coming from.

Though I'm not sure why people are inserting children into a conversation about height. It's almost like some people are trying to steer the conversation into something extremely uncomfortable in order to stifle those who'd like them a little bit (even just a few centimeters) shorter. I'm not saying you're doing that just btw

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

@Both
--I don't think you understand how height sliders work, it does not cause issues with hands/feet clipping on mounts. Female Roegadyn works in such a way where they set the height slider numbers in the character creation engine then they set the mount scaling within the game code itself; or the game engine itself scales the mount based on the height slider. it has nothing to do with manually worrying about hands/feet clipping on mounts. There's a mod that shows how the engine adjusts itself to the height slider when it comes to mounts. Height slider has almost to little effect on dev time/resources. All it is is a numerical value on the max/min.
---Until the benchmark is here you can't claim they already decided the race's height, nor that they wouldn't consider adjustments. It's not until the very last minute that they release full patch notes because they're always literally deciding on things until the very last minute. Hrothgar wasn't ready for fanfest until like a few days before fanest; same examples with Soken's music or the CGI trailers. Until something is in live servers there are always iterations.
I don't think some of you understand the product development cycle. There are so many iterations you'd be shocked.
---You seem to miss that I gave you a simple answer.

---I question if you know how making 3D models work...Your slider is going to change the character model, you want to make it taller, that effects a whole plethora of things....Textures, clothing, proportions which do lead to things like possibly clipping through the floor and on mounts.
Female Roes were MADE that way. Male Viera are not; I assume so, because here you are requesting that SE give you a FemRoe Slider.
Its one thing if they didnt complete the model, fact is..they did. Its already done and made, you wanting SE to scale up the model for your FemRoe slider request, will in fact take resources and time away from better things.
---Yes I can, because they already showed us the finished product. The Male Viera Design is already Finalized, they already showed it off, you and everyone else saw it. This isn't a WIP, this is a Finished In-game Render, ready for release into the Global Server. Like you just said, the Hrothgar were finalized BEFORE the fanfest. The only thing that changed is that apparently the dev team in their own time found a way to make some headgear work on their heads, thats not the same as changing the slider which would also change the size and proportions of a Character model, and would require more adjustments.
---You did not, so Ill ask one last time and see if I actually get an answer out of you....Why Can't Male Viera be shorter then Female Viera?

[Renik]

Though I'm not sure why people are inserting children into a conversation about height.

The problem is that there's actually people requesting this, even in this thread, and if you have been in ugh... twitter... you have probably seen these request being more common than here, I don't mean they are asking for literal children, but child-like, It's not the same as wanting them shorter, but we can't ignore that this crowd exists.

[Vahlnir]

The problem is that there's actually people requesting this, even in this thread, and if you have been in ugh... twitter... you have probably seen these request being more common than here, I don't mean they are asking for literal children, but child-like, It's not the same as wanting them shorter, but we can't ignore that this crowd exists.

That's the crowd that SE repeatedly ignores, regardless of how large or small in number that they are, and for good reason. Twitter was a mistake.

[Senn]

The problem is that there's actually people requesting this, even in this thread, and if you have been in ugh... twitter... you have probably seen these request being more common than here, I don't mean they are asking for literal children, but child-like, It's not the same as wanting them shorter, but we can't ignore that this crowd exists.

Yeah, I've been browsing twitter lately. I mentioned it before, but I always thought people were overreacting to requests like lyn or whatever. It's just an innocent request. But then I see on twitter all these disgusting mods and I'm kinda like... yeah, I guess I see where people are coming from.

[Amnmaat]

---I question if you know how making 3D models work...Your slider is going to change the character model, you want to make it taller, that effects a whole plethora of things....Textures, clothing, proportions which do lead to things like possibly clipping through the floor and on mounts.
Female Roes were MADE that way. Male Viera are not; I assume so, because here you are requesting that SE give you a FemRoe Slider.
Its one thing if they didnt complete the model, fact is..they did. Its already done and made, you wanting SE to scale up the model for your FemRoe slider request, will in fact take resources and time away from better things.
---Yes I can, because they already showed us the finished product. The Male Viera Design is already Finalized, they already showed it off, you and everyone else saw it. This isn't a WIP, this is a Finished In-game Render, ready for release into the Global Server. Like you just said, the Hrothgar were finalized BEFORE the fanfest. The only thing that changed is that apparently the dev team in their own time found a way to make some headgear work on their heads, thats not the same as changing the slider which would also change the size and proportions of a Character model, and would require more adjustments.
---You did not, so Ill ask one last time and see if I actually get an answer out of you....Why Can't Male Viera be shorter then Female Viera?

Oh trust me, I know how it works; do you?
Female Roegadyn uses the type of slider I'd like to see; that's a working version already. Your fear of textures, clothing, and proportions are in vain.

How do you know male Viera weren't made that way? You do know there's a mod that allows you to set min/max height right? These mount/texture/other non-existent issues you're bringing up don't exist. The engine does the height slider to mount conversion.

There you go claiming again that male Viera is complete when you have no official source, nor is it in a benchmark/live server. Male Hrothgar were still going through iterations weeks after Shadowbrigners fanfest.

Finished product? When they stated "everything we're showing you is a work in progress" at the start of fanfest? There's absolutely nothing finished about male Viera, nor any indication that edits will not be made until the race goes live.