[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

[Rokke]

I like how people pretend to know the dev's pipelines and iteration procedures.

1. No one knows their pipeline
2. They decided the look; but you cannot say more than that, no one here works at square enix, and no benchmark has been released. Morever, height slider does not affect asset creation (hair, scars, skin color, gear, 3D modifications). The only thing the height slider effects is how tall they will be during character creation. It's actually just setting a max/min within their code/or engine.

fixing things that aren't broken is a waste of time when we're 6 months out of launch and approx 5ish months from benchmark. there is no reason to potentially cause issues a la hand/feet placement clipping on mounts over a lone thread on the OF being upset at the potential (potential!) of males not being X height. they have already decided on bun boys height. you might like it. you might not. its already been decided one way or another. neither you nor I nor any other forum poster will be changing whatever numbers they picked.

for what its worth, I think its safe to say they're tall based on their height in comparison to the bridge rails in orbonne. you can count the tiles on the floor to try to line up a character to recreate the shot from the preview.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I like how people pretend to know the dev's pipelines and iteration procedures.
Morever, height slider does not affect asset creation (hair, scars, skin color, gear, 3D modifications). The only thing the height slider effects is how tall they will be during character creation. It's actually just setting a max/min within their code/or engine.

You are aware that making your character taller also effects the Models mass size, correct?
Everything is already set and adjusted, we just dont know the specific measurements. Your asking for them to make the Viera Taller by giving them a FemRose slider (Which that makes no sense) and if they were to give you what you want, then they would need to readjust assets again. Because, I play a FemRoe, I can tell you that the model is pretty big and tall compared to other races, so things would need to be changed and adjusted again. This would be Wasting time that could be spent on better things that actually matter.
The Viera are already made, they will be as tall as the Devs Designed them to be.
Standby for the benchmark so you can make your characters and see what the CC offers ahead of time.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You know that's not what this thread is about, it's not about male Viera being shorter or taller than female Viera.

Great observation, but you seem to miss that its a simple question.

[Iscah]

The thing with arguing "average height" is that the taller end of that height range is occupied (and thus the average height pushed up) by races who do not have human proportions because being a human at that height and normal proportions looks strange.

I had the thought to browse through the Wikipedia list of tallest people and for the ones that had photos, they fall into two groups: people who are just proportionally big and really do look like they're at the wrong scale to the people next to them, and people who are built like Elezen with overlong spindly limbs and a normal-sized head. (Bonus outlier: nowhere near the tallest, but one guy genuinely built like a Roegadyn and about the max height for them too.)

Granted, all the record breakers on the list are well above even Roegadyn height but it's clear there's a point where humans stop looking like tall humans and start looking like something isn't quite right. I don't know where that point is, but you can't just make the character taller without consequence.

Humans are still the mental reference point for us. Highlanders are objectively tall by human standards even though they're short relative to the inhumanly tall races.

[LaylaTsarra]

I like how people pretend to know the dev's pipelines and iteration procedures.

Got to love how the Op comes up with an idea and expects the developers to jump to attention. They're already set the race and it's attributes. They have more than enough on their plate at the moment then to hold an emergency meeting to deal with your request.

Personally I'd like the race to be within a defined height range like other races and don't like the idea of your slider. I fully expect them to be taller than male cats and similar in height to the females but they will be what they will be at this point that decision has already been made.

[Shibi]

...height slider does not affect asset creation (hair, scars, skin color, gear, 3D modifications)...

I do a bit of animation in my spare time, used to work for (c) Disney.

Have you seen the impact of character height on animations? If it's too big a change, and the rig and underlying technology isn't able to cope with it, characters sink into or float above the ground. You can't just take a lalafell's /joy and just put it on a Roe.

Likewise clipping might take place with gear. If they have weighted gear for a certain thickness body, a scale up increases the thickness (propertions need to be maintained) and that increase can cause armour to clip where it didn't before. Tolerances and all that.

The slider we have is likely limited for underlying problems like this. It can be solved slightly with improvements to the underlying tech, but it's never as simple as it seems.

If it were simple, they'd have done it.

That said, I still want wider slider range than we have and that's where i am putting my wishes rather than on just taller/shorter, and I hope one day they can improve the underlying tech so we can have a greater range of customisations not just in height, and face, but fatness. Hey, I can always dream ^^

[Amnmaat]

You are aware that making your character taller also effects the Models mass size, correct?
Everything is already set and adjusted, we just dont know the specific measurements. Your asking for them to make the Viera Taller by giving them a FemRose slider (Which that makes no sense) and if they were to give you what you want, then they would need to readjust assets again. Because, I play a FemRoe, I can tell you that the model is pretty big and tall compared to other races, so things would need to be changed and adjusted again. This would be Wasting time that could be spent on better things that actually matter.
The Viera are already made, they will be as tall as the Devs Designed them to be.
Standby for the benchmark so you can make your characters and see what the CC offers ahead of time.

fixing things that aren't broken is a waste of time when we're 6 months out of launch and approx 5ish months from benchmark. there is no reason to potentially cause issues a la hand/feet placement clipping on mounts over a lone thread on the OF being upset at the potential (potential!) of males not being X height. they have already decided on bun boys height. you might like it. you might not. its already been decided one way or another. neither you nor I nor any other forum poster will be changing whatever numbers they picked.

for what its worth, I think its safe to say they're tall based on their height in comparison to the bridge rails in orbonne. you can count the tiles on the floor to try to line up a character to recreate the shot from the preview.

@Both
Who said something was broken? An unreleased product is neither broken nor not broken.
I don't think you understand how height sliders work, it does not cause issues with hands/feet clipping on mounts. Female Roegadyn works in such a way where they set the height slider numbers in the character creation engine then they set the mount scaling within the game code itself; or the game engine itself scales the mount based on the height slider. it has nothing to do with manually worrying about hands/feet clipping on mounts. There's a mod that shows how the engine adjusts itself to the height slider when it comes to mounts. Height slider has almost to little effect on dev time/resources. All it is is a numerical value on the max/min.

Until the benchmark is here you can't claim they already decided the race's height, nor that they wouldn't consider adjustments. It's not until the very last minute that they release full patch notes because they're always literally deciding on things until the very last minute. Hrothgar wasn't ready for fanfest until like a few days before fanest; same examples with Soken's music or the CGI trailers. Until something is in live servers there are always iterations.

I don't think some of you understand the product development cycle. There are so many iterations you'd be shocked.

Great observation, but you seem to miss that its a simple question.

You seem to miss that I gave you a simple answer.

Humans are still the mental reference point for us. Highlanders are objectively tall by human standards even though they're short relative to the inhumanly tall races.

By human standards.
The male height chart is based on XIV height standards.

Got to love how the Op comes up with an idea and expects the developers to jump to attention. They're already set the race and it's attributes. They have more than enough on their plate at the moment then to hold an emergency meeting to deal with your request.

1. The hyperbole's interesting considering you didn't want/were elated that male Viera wasn't going to be added to begin with.
2. The race isn't set in its attributes; can you tell me the attributes (stats)? Where are you pulling those attributes from?

[LaylaTsarra]

1. The hyperbole's interesting considering you didn't want/were elated that male Viera wasn't going to be added to begin with.

This coming from someone who infested that thread with hyperbole that resulted in numerous mod interventions. Got it. And I've always been for racial additions just not some of the extreme boy/young suggestions that permeated that thread for quite sometime. You behave very similarly here not willing to accept that people don't agree with you.

[Amnmaat]

This coming from someone who infested that thread with hyperbole that resulted in numerous mod interventions.

Incorrect.
You're projecting

Got it. And I've always been for racial additions just not some of the extreme boy/young suggestions that permeated that thread. You behave very similarly here not willing to accept that people don't agree with you.

Again, more projection. You can't back any of your accusations. Stating that nothing is set in stone until the race goes live is a fact, it has nothing to do with agreeing.

[Yencat]

And I've always been for racial additions just not some of the extreme boy/young suggestions that permeated that thread.

I wonder where SE has drawn the line with that internally, because that could be telling. Is it a certain set of features combined that crosses into teen-looking territory for SE? Or maybe it's just at 'explicitly a child'.