[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

[Senn]

they state that the females and males aren’t discernible from each other until the males hit puberty and have their growth spurt which common knowledge should be they get taller than the females

Not necessarily. It could be the opposite; maybe it's natural for female viera to be taller than the males, and that's how they tell the difference after puberty. Or the fact that female viera's secondary sex characteristics become more prominent, so that's how they differentiate.

[KizuyaKatogami]

So you're saying the Average Height in Eorzea is 6ft? Which answers that specific question I asked in my last post.
Is this based on something? Or is this just what you believe?



Speaking for Myself, Im just asking Why can't they be shorter then the Females?
It seems the rebuttals are mostly "I dont like it" or "It makes them Niche" and still the question is...why is that a bad thing?
If you dont like it fine, but it sounds like more there is an actual issue with it like it kills Male Viera.

Probably because taller just seems to be more popular and less varied. Personally i’d their sliders were varied like femroe i would play a shorter one for sure, but i don’t think that should come at the expense of them not being taller than the females. Being taller seems to be more popular, and i mean, they already cater to a lot of female things(hairstyles come to mind) so i don’t see why we can’t just have this one thing and not have it be niche like everything else.

[Hunky]

*huffs and pouts* Well yeaaaaahhh...

But I don't like the Hrothgar that much. XD

LOL I don't like Hrothgar either. Hence why we both feel so strongly. Seems we're both invested in this race.

Why cant it be Male Viera?
Female Hrothgar could do it to,but why not Male Viera?

Is there any reason Female Viera cant be taller then the Males?

There's no reason for either side, to be honest.

There's no reason to make male Viera short, or tall for that matter.

The thing is, it's all a matter of personal opinion.

You want male Viera to be shorter so that there can be a race where the females are taller and that would be new and interesting.

I, as well as other tall male players, want to be able to play a tall male race that is conventionally handsome and isn't overly bestial or bulky like Hrothgar or Roegadyn.

We argue over whose reason is better justified, but the truth is, neither one is.

We come up with reasons and evidence, but all of that is argued too. We can't even agree on whether male Midlanders are average height or not.

Arguing about it and trying to change each other's minds is pointless. We're literally going in circles.

And it's useless because the race has already been made. The devs made male Viera as they saw fit, and it is their vision that we have to trust.

I've already accepted male Viera for whatever height they'll turn out to be. I'm glad they're being made.

Deep down, I know they're not gonna be short as Miqo'te. I also know there's a good chance they might end up as the exact same height as female Viera.

But either way, I realized that I should be content in the fact that XIV has made Final Fantasy history in being the first game to have male Viera.

[Senn]

The devs made male Viera as they saw fit, and it is their vision that we have to trust.

I've already accepted male Viera for whatever height they'll turn out to be. I'm glad they're being made.

Agreeing with this sentiment.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Probably because taller just seems to be more popular and less varied. Personally i’d their sliders were varied like femroe i would play a shorter one for sure, but i don’t think that should come at the expense of them not being taller than the females. Being taller seems to be more popular, and i mean, they already cater to a lot of female things(hairstyles come to mind) so i don’t see why we can’t just have this one thing and not have it be niche like everything else.

Viera are already Niche by concept alone, that doesnt stop them from being #3 from what I hear, why would males being shorter then females effect that?
The Male Viera being smaller then the Females wouldn't make them Niche, that doesn't really make sense.

But hey, I highly doubt this thread is gonna get some new slider, the designers already made the Model, they made the available customization, and they fit thousands of gear to it. They made the Gender of the Race how they envisioned and decided on.

Agreeing with this sentiment.

Ill 2nd this.

[Amnmaat]

So you're saying the Average Height in Eorzea is 6ft? Which answers that specific question I asked in my last post.
Is this based on something? Or is this just what you believe?

The average gets skewed because of Lalafel. But this is not about the average, this is about the tall and the short side of the spectrum. The topic at hand is providing a height slider that is similar to female Roegadyn's which would cover the tall side of the male height options. So that we have a tall option that isn't world of warcraft (roe, hrothgar, au ra).

Speaking for Myself, Im just asking Why can't they be shorter then the Females?
It seems the rebuttals are mostly "I dont like it" or "It makes them Niche" and still the question is...why is that a bad thing?
If you dont like it fine, but it sounds like more there is an actual issue with it like it kills Male Viera.

This is not about female Viera; and the lore excuse was what many used to rationalize why male Viera shouldn't be included.

the designers already made the Model, they made the available customization, and they fit thousands of gear to it. They made the Gender of the Race how they envisioned and decided on.



Ill 2nd this.

With 6 months to go and no benchmark I'd argue they're far from done.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The average gets skewed because of Lalafel. But this is not about the average, this is about the tall and the short side of the spectrum. The topic at hand is providing a height slider that is similar to female Roegadyn's which would cover the tall side of the male height options. So that we have a tall option that isn't world of warcraft (roe, hrothgar, au ra).

With 6 months to go and no benchmark I'd argue they're far from done.

Your topic isn't difficult to understand (Although placing "Critical" in your title is...weird.)
But, the devs & designers already made them, so they will have what they have. Changing it after completion is a waste of time honestly. Those 6 months are better spent doing touchups to make sure the model That Is Complete will render and function Globally on the servers, look its best, and even dare I say...could be spent making hairstyles and/or hats more accessible and available. Not to mention that Benchmark.

This is not about female Viera; and the lore excuse was what many used to rationalize why male Viera shouldn't be included.

Lore isn't remotely part of the conversation. The conversation is about Height.
And all I asked, is "Why Can't Male Viera be Smaller then Female Viera?"

[Fukuro]

If they are around the height of female viera (a tiny littler smaller, same height or a tiny little higher) i‘d be pretty smitten with them!!

Lore isn't remotely part of the conversation. The conversation is about Height.
And all I asked, is "Why Can't Male Viera be Smaller then Female Viera?"

Well i‘ve read some comments before and some people in general wish the males to be between au ra and elezen meaning among the taller races. female viera are not as tall as these two male races - that‘s why many want the males to be taller, not because some sort of complex. (regarless of female viera)
i guess it‘s the same reason some would suggest hrothgar to be the race with the opposite dimorphism, since m. hrothgar are already tall.

personally i wouldn‘t like it if they were miqo‘te height or how many on twitter suggest even smaller than miqo‘te min height. ideally for me i‘d wish them to be around the same height as the females, and it seems to be the case which makes me happy! but in the end it‘s just my opinion and nothing is confirmed for sure!

[Rokke]

Bless the small handfull of folks in here that understand how pipelines work.


This thread is unfortunately too late for OP...and really anyone that has a preference one way or another. The devs decided the set max/min height before they made 3D models. They've also decided skin tone ranges, if moles/scars/beards are available, the hairstyles males will get, etc. If you want to make a case for tall vs. small you're better off petitioning for fem hroths and thats assuming they haven't already decided on a concept.

[Amnmaat]

I like how people pretend to know the dev's pipelines and iteration procedures.

1. No one knows their current pipeline as far as new race creation goes
2. They decided the look; but you cannot say more than that, no one here works at square enix, and no benchmark has been released. Morever, height slider does not affect asset creation (hair, scars, skin color, gear, 3D modifications). The only thing the height slider effects is how tall they will be during character creation. It's actually just setting a max/min within their code or game engine.

Lore isn't remotely part of the conversation. The conversation is about Height.
And all I asked, is "Why Can't Male Viera be Smaller then Female Viera?"

You know that's not what this thread is about, it's not about male Viera being shorter or taller than female Viera. The problem with those that want female Viera to be taller is that female Viera is in the live servers.