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  1. #31
    Player
    Hysterior's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Larek Darkholme
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    Dots+Bane+Shadowflare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Art of War

    SCH used to be so satisfying on the DPS front...
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

  2. #32
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    misterbill's Avatar
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    Character
    Ferro Maljin
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hysterior View Post
    Dots+Bane+Shadowflare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Art of War

    SCH used to be so satisfying on the DPS front...
    this

    Apply 2 dots, drop shadowflare, bane, then miasma 2 upkeep VS spam 1 button and fall asleep at lvl 80. that was ShB dungeon sch for me. and our 1 button doesnt even stun for a free hallowed ground duration every pull like WHM does. and we also have no aoe energy drain like SMN does.
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  3. #33
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    Foxkid's Avatar
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    Character
    Ketsueki Bloodfox
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    I'd much rather we just get Shadowflare, Misma 2, and Bane back than keep spamming this in mobs, especially ones who have wide aoes or debuffs applied on hit. At least it was more engaging..

    1. I play healer because I'd rather not get up close to mobs to deal damage while supporting the team.
    2. It's functionally no different than Monk's Four-Point Fury (the handstand spinning kick aoe), just replace flashy kicks with....hit ground > summon dull light pillar..
    3. It has zero extra effects on it. It's just damage and nothing more, no stun, no slow, no sleep, not even a buff, nothing. It literally may as well be something Monk uses in place of say Rockbreaker or something, not something a scholar/Nymian Marine would use.

    At the very least if they wanted to make it unique, let Lily do an action with it, whether it be a copy like a dance partner ability or have her add effects to it such as damage down on enemies hit or damage reduction on allies or something worth the name.
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  4. #34
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    Ultaniku's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Jojo Ryder
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 97
    I actually don’t mind it being point blank range, makes me feel like I gotta be active if I wanna contribute to the aoe damage output. Bob and weave with my little fairy and book. My only gripe is with the animation, the ground touching I’m totally fine with, the actual spell effect to me Is lackluster compared to the visuals of Gravity and Holy. Make it look like a Shadow Flare erupts around me when I touch the ground, now that would be nice.
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  5. #35
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Character
    Deceptus Keelon
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultaniku View Post
    I actually don’t mind it being point blank range, .
    Wait, ya'll aren't on the tank's or boss' ass constantly? I must be doing something wrong
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  6. #36
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    Cithaerias_pyropina's Avatar
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    Warrior
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    Character
    Qynden Peltier
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Got nothing to add to Art of War that hasn't already been said. But what Scholar lacks is interesting things to weave healing cooldowns with. You got Ruin 2 and Art of War and that's it, unless they finally go and reduce the cast time of Broil to 1.5 seconds. That right there would open up more things for Scholar.

    Reduce Broil cast time to 1.5 seconds and change Ruin 2 to some new instant cast single target, or AoE, GCD spell with a cooldown that doesn't sync with Biolysis's DoT duration and has higher potency than Broil. Would at least give the Scholar player one more GCD spell to break up the monotony of Broil/Art of War use without adding to Scholar's button bloat, as button bloat is becoming a problem with Scholar, and many other jobs.
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  7. #37
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    Morzy's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Morzone Vandalfo
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 90
    I would certainly prefer my dots + Bane and Miasma 2 for large groups, but Art of War is okay... It gets the job done, and I'm glad to have FOUR less buttons to push (Removal of Bane, Bio, Bio2, Miasma) with the addition of TWO (Art of War, SCH dot whatsitsname), buuuut hey I've got a lot of spare space on my controller anyway, so.. Ca va.
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    Morzone Vandalfo on Siren
    Main job: SCH/MNK
    Raid job: Gathering
    PS5 based. PSN ID: natek_morzy

  8. #38
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    Absurdity's Avatar
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    Tiana Vestoria
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    Or she one-ups the caster and basically Stardivers at the target. Basically Lily lets out all her healer rage in one go.
    Side note, I wish they would've just called the ability "Final Chorus" like the original instead of Stardiver.
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  9. #39
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    isnt it messed up that goblet is a housing area and not a tiny goblin
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    Character
    Dusk Himmel
    World
    Ravana
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    Side note, I wish they would've just called the ability "Final Chorus" like the original instead of Stardiver.
    shhh thats the single target one we get at lvl 100
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  10. #40
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    Beddict's Avatar
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    Character
    Titania Chevalier
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    Side note, I wish they would've just called the ability "Final Chorus" like the original instead of Stardiver.
    Yeah, it kinda sucks. Stardiver is one of the big Polearm skills in FFXI so it's a neat reference to that but I mean, come on, Final Chorus just sounds way better.
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