Realization that I could safely quit at 6.0's completion just hit me and that sucks

[Puremallace]

Extreme monetization is everywhere though tbh. Not trying to say it's excusable but we've been in the age of games (especially live services) being monetized for years now. Only a matter of time before FF joined in. I can easily list more games that take it to a worse place than FF tho (glamour rentals/charging upwards of $60+ for one outfit, as an example).

The Lunar Whale is effectively monetizing my nostalgia of FF4 from my child hood. The price of the collectors edition easily is higher then anything released by most other MMO developers. They spent time at a Fanfest advertising a watch and a guitar for sale.

Majority of the new mounts, minions and housing items added in the game are on the MogStation now. They are treating a subscription game like a free to play game and the only reason they are getting away with it is because of content schedule and they have not crossed the line of boost.

If they continue to cross these lines then I will just keep up with the story from people who post on Youtube and officially be done with MMO's as the path they are on is more concerned with monetizing the playerbase then delivering more content.

What just happened to the New World developers should be a major red flag to Square Enix of how quick a playerbase will turn on an MMO if they cross a very fine line that western players will not deal with in an MMO.

[Kurando]

What just happened to the New World developers should be a major red flag to Square Enix of how quick a playerbase will turn on an MMO if they cross a very fine line that western players will not deal with in an MMO.

WoW have been doing it for years, hell they are becoming more aggressive lately with their methods but players still go out there and buy the stuff anyway. Being a Westerner is fairly irrelevant though as such competitive monotization between MMOs is pretty common in the East. If any company constantly listened and acted on Western complaints all the time, very little would ever get done.

[Puremallace]

WoW have been doing it for years, hell they are becoming more aggressive lately with their methods but players still go out there and buy the stuff anyway. Being a Westerner is fairly irrelevant though as such competitive monotization between MMOs is pretty common in the East. If any company constantly listened and acted on Western complaints all the time, very little would ever get done.

So my main point is as long as it stays cosmetic and the content does not appear to suffer from it then most will honestly not care. If that remains the status quo then I can care less but if WoW proves one thing that even an extremely loyal fanbase will turn quickly if the content suffers but they still see new items being added to a cash shop.

I have seen it happen to multiple MMO's over my time of playing. Square Enix is only doing cosmetic currently so I have no issues right now but I do wish a lot of the Final Fantasy 4 items had been rolled into an event actually in game versus being on a store.

[ForteNightshade]

=Majority of the new mounts, minions and housing items added in the game are on the MogStation now.=

This is just factually wrong. From 5.5 alone, we'll have seven mounts added through in-game acquisition and one (Lunar Whale) added to the Mogstation. Likewise, we have seven minions obtainable in-game compared to three being Mogstation exclusive. Bear in mind, this does not include potential minion or mount rewards for upcoming events like Make It Rain or The Rising. As for housing items, they only ever put previous event items on the Mogstation.

All in all, while I have plenty of criticism to levy towards SE, especially in regards to the bland job design approach they've taken, claiming they're adding more to the Mogstation than in-game just isn't factual whatsoever.

the debuffs was remove to crush the meta you reap what you sow

As others have said, Piercing was removed because it more or less made Dragoon mandatory. Going without one was just a giant middle finger to your Bard as they lost a massive 5% for literally no reason.

[CKNovel]

All in all, while I have plenty of criticism to levy towards SE, especially in regards to the bland job design approach they've taken, claiming they're adding more to the Mogstation than in-game just isn't factual whatsoever.

I wish they'd communicate on the job design.
Imagine if jobs were as amazing as the music and the story.

At the minimum, all jobs should feel as complete as Dragoon and Black Mage.
Over the past 2 expansions, jobs design was questionnable, they made a lot of effort but I feel like it's far from the target.

[LisSquid]

I wish they'd communicate on the job design.
Imagine if jobs were as amazing as the music and the story.

At the minimum, all jobs should feel as complete as Dragoon and Black Mage.
Over the past 2 expansions, jobs design was questionnable, they made a lot of effort but I feel like it's far from the target.

It's weird now. I have been chewing through job quests all over again on an alt and it's kind of sad that these stories don't even resemble the jobs now. AST is a huge example as their story described the cards and used story to translate mechanics of them. Now they're removing nocturnal and the quest might as well be removed. Same with SCH as there is no longer any tactical planning ingrained in the kit.

I really wish we could go an expansion where we didn't get a new job and they just worked on job identity. Bring us back to center and deprune the homogenization that has started to take hold. What happened to MCH was.. well dab for burst I guess :/

edit:

How were the healer classes destroyed? What's destroyed? They can't heal? I really don't understand.

I only play AST now for healer because there's little else to do on the other healers. I use my oGCDs and instants to heal between dot refreshes and my single damaging spell spam. AST still has cards, which keeps me from breaking my head through a wall, but it's not engaging at all. I don't have a damage kit. Damage is predictable and bursting. Optimal play is coordinating oGCD heals with your co-healer so that you both spend the majority of the fight spamming your (1) one dps spell.

SE said they wanted healers to be more like healers but did not adjust any of the content to reflect that. We're still green dps with one button who explode green numbers every once in a while.

[Clover_Blake]

Majority of the new mounts, minions and housing items added in the game are on the MogStation now.

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, but this comment is so inaccurate and blatantly untrue that I can only guess what the rest of the thread is like o_o