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    Quote Originally Posted by Balmung_Griffin View Post
    They look exactly like the Hummingways from Final fantasy IV DS?
    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...r_ffiv_ios.PNG
    Does make me wonder to be honest. When ffxii was being made, did they look to the hummingways as inspiration for the ivalice moogles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApprenticeSmithy View Post
    Does make me wonder to be honest. When ffxii was being made, did they look to the hummingways as inspiration for the ivalice moogles?
    Ivalice Moogles originally came from Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, XII Moogles are mostly an evolution from there.
    When FFIV DS was made Hummingways were redesigned to look more like rabbits (This game came after TA and XII) so maybe it's the other way around and Ivalice Moogles influenced their redesign.
    However, like many things in Endwalker I do believe they're just referencing things from FFIV directly and have no link to current moogles, but hey, who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balmung_Griffin View Post
    Ivalice Moogles originally came from Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, XII Moogles are mostly an evolution from there.
    When FFIV DS was made Hummingways were redesigned to look more like rabbits (This game came after TA and XII) so maybe it's the other way around and Ivalice Moogles influenced their redesign.
    However, like many things in Endwalker I do believe they're just referencing things from FFIV directly and have no link to current moogles, but hey, who knows?
    Actually, Hummingways were always rabbit-like, even in their sprites. So it may be a case of one thing influencing another and then said thing reinfluences its origin. Hummingways were the inspiration for Ivalician moogles, but during the redesign the mooglrs influenced the Hummingways.
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    So in lore some people in Eorzea must have some idea of there existence, for this t have been made.
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    Last edited by Archchancellor; 05-16-2021 at 07:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archchancellor View Post
    [minion information]
    So in lore some people in Eorzea must have some idea of there existence, for this t have been made.
    Minions are not 100% canon. Sometimes you have to decouple lore from merchandising strategies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    Minions are not 100% canon. Sometimes you have to decouple lore from merchandising strategies.
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Likely there as an inside joke, like how the text for the Fafnir minion mentions the makers questioning why it was holding such a rare blade, only for the creator to mutter something about drop rates. Which is a clear reference to farming Fafnir in FFXI for the rare weapons he drops.
    Yes you make good points. But I think I will have my head cannon be some time ago some Eorzeaon doll maker saying "That rabbit came from the moon!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archchancellor View Post
    So in lore some people in Eorzea must have some idea of there existence, for this t have been made.
    Likely there as an inside joke, like how the text for the Fafnir minion mentions the makers questioning why it was holding such a rare blade, only for the creator to mutter something about drop rates. Which is a clear reference to farming Fafnir in FFXI for the rare weapons he drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archchancellor View Post


    So in lore some people in Eorzea must have some idea of there existence, for this t have been made.

    The text in french localization seems more detailed. ( i dunno how to add a screenshot ><)

    here the translation, it may be confusing, i'm not confident in my english XD


    "According to some, he is a survivor of the people of the moon. What is certain is that he cannot give nicknames to everyone he meets on his way. He never goes out without his book in he records all these new names."

    This one may be canon, i guess?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archchancellor View Post


    So in lore some people in Eorzea must have some idea of there existence, for this t have been made.
    I am just going to say I called it.
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    Last edited by Archchancellor; 04-22-2025 at 10:31 PM. Reason: spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archchancellor View Post
    I am just going to say I called it.
    For what it's worth, the description of the minion itself in the minion guide:

    While it is whispered that this cheerful vagrant is the sole surviving member of a tribe hailing from none other than the moon, most see Namingway for who he is─a queer fellow with a penchant for giving all he meets absurd nicknames then jotting them down in his mysterious journal.
    Not completely wrong, but it is worth saying that the Namingway minion (at least, last anyone checked; I'm not online right now so I can't see if they updated it) implies he was the actual guy, rather than a wind-up minion. But other than that, the description actually mostly lines up if you read that we're looking at a few-degrees-removed, lost-through-retelling version of what happened.
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