Can something be done about free loaders in the MSQ roulette?

[lezard21]

Praetorium isn't generally an issue since there's very few mob trash and bosses die pretty fast. Any afkers can be kicked as soon as you board the magitek armor into the lower floor or before the Nero, Gaius, Ultima Weapon or Lahabrea fights.

Castrum though is a real pain.

A couple weeks ago I was in a Castrum where both healers apparently were hoping for Praet but instead got Castrum so they decided to pretend to be afk. The tanks not realizing this did the usual wall to wall pull to the first boss with multiple people dieing on the way due to lack of heals. Boss starts and again people dieing due to lack of heals. I point out that both healers are afk, and a SAM gets frustrated and leaves party and immediately after both healers leave too, thus evading the dropout penalty. There was even a new person in the group too.

IMO, MSQ roulettes should apply dropout penalty to everyone that drops regardless if they are first or not to avoid such scenarios where healers can hold the entire raid hostage till someone else does, and also apply dropout debuff to people that get kicked. To avoid people being able to exploit the kick system, MSQ roulette and Praet/Castrum dungeons should only be able to be solo queued.

[Puc]

It's perfectly fine as is, stop being so strict for such easy content.

[Enla]

I don't care if they auto-attack, just so long as they do /something/. When you sign up for those long raids you're agreeing to put up with the same bullshit as everyone else and should expect to at least pull a minimum amount of weight to make it go that much faster. That said if someone isn't pulling their weight the sections before and after Nero are prime time to kick them. Most parties will have picked up on bad behavior at that point, or at least be more welcoming to it being pointed out, and unless other people in the party are in on it, it generally ends with the moocher being removed rather quickly.

[Lanadra]

I always call them out first. It's hit and miss at best. Most votes just fail.

For people simply going AFK and not keeping up with the party, the vote kick always passes. But as long as they are moving along, it seems very few people actually realize there are freeloaders. Some people just don't care, and I've been "called out" for being a SJW and I should just mind my own business (probably a friend of the afker) etc.

In any case, the MSQ roulette underwent several revisions and it's always been a band-aid after band-aid. I really don't think there are any good solutions other than simply removing it and revamping those two instances.

Do you know why? Because it's MSQ roulette. Nine out of ten people don't care in Praetorium or Meridianum.

[SturmChurro]

I wish kicking was a good solution to this problem;

However, in my experience, occasionally when an AFK gets called out some people see it as an opportunity to virtue signal and will vehemently defend the person who is AFKing. A couple of interactions like that were what made me stop running that roulette altogether.

SE has built methods of measuring contribution into the game which they use in some encounters. They ought to tie roulette rewards to a minimum contribution check at the end of the instance.

I have actually seen that too. I don't usually kick players unless they are afk, or disconnected, and I have had arguments on occasion when I've wanted to kick them. It's bizarre.

[Deceptus]

Simple:

Vote Kick.

You just have to make your case. If they're AFK say so before you submit it, and use the AFK option.

If the other party doesn't agree with you, that's the way it goes.

[Lanadra]

Simple:

Vote Kick.

You just have to make your case. If they're AFK say so before you submit it, and use the AFK option.

If the other party doesn't agree with you, that's the way it goes.

Only many of them won't be satisfied with that and feel the need to come complain about it.

Like.. especially in MSQ roulette a lot of people just won't care. Not even the people AFKing care, most who AFK in MSQ roulette do so because they wanted the other one, they'd love a quick boot from the instance so they can queue up again without penalty.. that's why they do it.

[Haru304]

I think this is more a case of how the content is designed over players behaving in a certain way. If you make the MSQ scenes skippable, I highly doubt this would be as much of an issue.

[HisShadowX]

Specifically, people who would follow along, then stand next to mobs to pretend they're doing something, sometimes auto-attacking, sometimes not even auto-attacking, some spamming the same weapon skill throughout the whole instance, e.g. the same AOE regardless on trash or boss.

Solution: revamp those MSQ roulettes and make them solo or light-party duties. Then do away with the MSQ roulette. This is probably the only realistic way.

I've been running the MSQ roulette everyday for the last couple of weeks and practically half of the runs will have 1-2 freeloaders like I described above.

Can something be done about this? Or is freeloading in roulettes an officially sanctioned way to play this game?

Yeah I have had problems with freeloaders with the MSQ but I think a trust option would be great

[Zfz]

Only many of them won't be satisfied with that and feel the need to come complain about it.

No. This is a request to have the content designed in a way that it doesn't make people go AFK. I don't get satisfaction from punishing anyone. I see a problem and would like that problem to be fixed by taking away the root of the problem. Instead of ignoring it or pretending it isn't a problem and that people who bring it up are complaining.

It's a problem and it's not fine to pretend it isn't. And the best way to fix it is to revamp those parts of the MSQ properly, as should have been done years ago.