Can we use ACT to recognize who is griefing the party and report them afterwards?

[Lanadra]

I always find it funny when people pretend 'DPS as a healer' should be the bare minimum of effort. Eh, no, it's not. The bare minimum effort for a healing class is to do their job as a healer well. When you manage that, then you can add DPS into the mixture. That is how I play my WHM. I will DPS whenever I can, but deciding when I can is my prerogative as a healer, depending on how the party as a whole is doing, whether or not I need to babysit healthbars, etc. Off course I am speaking from a perspective of ones ability to juggle healing and DPSing though, which I might add can actually be challenging for people with attention span issues such as myself.

I will however agree that a healer who stands there twiddling their thumbs during clear down time should instead be throwing out some DPS.

[technole]

I reported a toxic casual DPS the other week as they were being rude to the two new players in WoL NM because we failed the button check. So the next pull they decided to get creative with cursing spelling but then they did 0 damage. Of course you don't always need a damage meter to know someone is griefing the party. Other players called them out too, for all we know we failed the next button check because of them. Doing 0 damage in some situations is usually tied to grief somewhere else, but it can be reportable.

Of course if they left on their own, quietly, and took the penalty they probably would have saved themselves much grief.

[ZedxKayn]

I always find it funny when people pretend 'DPS as a healer' should be the bare minimum of effort. Eh, no, it's not. The bare minimum effort for a healing class is to do their job as a healer well. When you manage that, then you can add DPS into the mixture. That is how I play my WHM. I will DPS whenever I can, but deciding when I can is my prerogative as a healer, depending on how the party as a whole is doing, whether or not I need to babysit healthbars, etc. Off course I am speaking from a perspective of ones ability to juggle healing and DPSing though, which I might add can actually be challenging for people with attention span issues such as myself.

I will however agree that a healer who stands there twiddling their thumbs during clear down time should instead be throwing out some DPS.

A healer who does not do damage is not a good healer.
More damage = target(s) die faster = less damage to heal.
Holy is also the single best mitigation tool in the game absolutely NO excuse for spamming cure 1 instead of Holy during pulls when someone has been told to do otherwise.
Being able to heal and do damage is basic competency.

[Artemiz]

Healer DPS in FF14 is like the offside rule in football, everyone knows what the rule is but people insist on arguing about it every week anyway.

[Lanadra]

A healer who does not do damage is not a good healer.
More damage = target(s) die faster = less damage to heal.
Holy is also the single best mitigation tool in the game absolutely NO excuse for spamming cure 1 instead of Holy during pulls when someone has been told to do otherwise.
Being able to heal and do damage is basic competency.

Oh I get that, I even agree with it. Buuut that's often not how fights work. I'm not going to throw out a Holy when I've got 2 teammates who messed up their positioning and are sitting at <50% health. My point is that a healer's priorities should still be healing first and DPSing when the situation allows for it. As I stated before, I personally DPS whenever I can and believe anyone else should also.

At the same time, how on earth is a healer going to worry about their DPS contribution.. when they haven't even gotten the healing part down yet? How about they first do that well, then worry about the DPS, yes? Buuut admittedly, I am somewhat prone to forgetting that you guys most love complaining about the 'malicious' types who are out to get you rather than the honest person still trying to get a proper grip on their job.. so I suppose ultimately it's really a pointless debate.

Yes, healers should DPS, whenever they can. And I agree it should be basic competency, in reality however it is clearly not because the vast majority of healers you all apparently encounter fail spectacularly at it, it should be.. but it's not. I don't really get how to be honest, I actually picked up healer not that long ago with my WHM and I can say, the expectation of 'heal + dps' was for the longest time the primary reason I dreaded the role in FFXIV.. in hindsight I was surprised by how naturally I adapted to it.. the amount of down time you get for it in this game is not something I've experienced the few times in the past that I played healing roles in MMO's.

[MPK]

Oh I get that, I even agree with it. Buuut that's often not how fights work. I'm not going to throw out a Holy when I've got 2 teammates who messed up their positioning and are sitting at <50% health. My point is that a healer's priorities should still be healing first and DPSing when the situation allows for it. As I stated before, I personally DPS whenever I can and believe anyone else should also.

At the same time, how on earth is a healer going to worry about their DPS contribution.. when they haven't even gotten the healing part down yet? How about they first do that well, then worry about the DPS, yes? Buuut admittedly, I am somewhat prone to forgetting that you guys most love complaining about the 'malicious' types who are out to get you rather than the honest person still trying to get a proper grip on their job.. so I suppose ultimately it's really a pointless debate.

Yes, healers should DPS, whenever they can. And I agree it should be basic competency, in reality however it is clearly not because the vast majority of healers you all apparently encounter fail spectacularly at it, it should be.. but it's not. I don't really get how to be honest, I actually picked up healer not that long ago with my WHM and I can say, the expectation of 'heal + dps' was for the longest time the primary reason I dreaded the role in FFXIV.. in hindsight I was surprised by how naturally I adapted to it.. the amount of down time you get for it in this game is not something I've experienced the few times in the past that I played healing roles in MMO's.

The healing part is a complete joke. The only hp you should care about in dungeons is the tank's health and you can manage that using JUST OGCDs alone (in level 70+ dungeons at least). If you're sitting there casting cure 1/2 when your tank is above 25% you're doing it wrong.

If the dps are eating aoes and they're not dead then just ignore them, they're prob better than you and are probably eating it intentionally to not miss any gcds

[Roeshel]

If you're sitting there casting cure 1/2 when your tank is above 25% you're doing it wrong.

As whm I almost never let my tank drop below 50% and my AoE is the highest, if not the highest, second best. To me 25% hp is borderline critical levels of tank' hp management, especially if I don't have instant heals ready, I would have to use benediction. I almost never use cure or cure 2 in level 60+ dungeons but I make sure that my tank is not sitting at 25% hp. When I am tanking I don't like sitting on 1/4 of my hp either.

[Ilenya]

Honest question. If you aren't saving Bene for something planned, why wouldn't you use it in a situation like that?

[Roeshel]

Honest question. If you aren't saving Bene for something planned, why wouldn't you use it in a situation like that?

I usually save benediction for scenarios when tank is not good enough and is letting the mobs delete my hp bar. When a tank starts pulling I put glare on the mobs as I walk by so I occasionally take the aggro. If by the end of the pull I am on like 10% of my hp, I am using benediction and start spamming holy

[Caurcas]

Healer DPS in FF14 is like the offside rule in football, everyone knows what the rule is but people insist on arguing about it every week anyway.

No, in fact its quite simple. You have damage spells as a healer, ere go the game expects you to use them. Often.