MSQ

[DPZ2]

I blame the apparent dissatisfaction with the MSQ on the misperception that 'end game is the only game'.

"Everything that came before now is boring and a waste of time."
"Having to slog through nearly eight years of episodes is a waste of time, even if they're being binge-watched."

Hint: go watch a youtube summary of the 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0 story lines. Purchase a story and job skip to arrive at current content. Run through the current content - it's a game, it has a story, the content was produced for you to go through it. THEN enjoy(?) the fact that you have so little actual 'current content' to enjoy that you complain. Again.

Rinse-and-repeat.

Or, better yet, go find a multi-player game that requires a minimum of story, with, oh, maybe one patch with new content in any given year. There are plenty to choose from.

I've been playing multi-player games off-and-on for about 35 years now, most with so little story-line that they easily become obsolete after you play them for a few months. And yes, EQ was one of them ... frustrating as heck, no discernible story line, lots of time spent wasting time for things to spawn, unfriendly groups of people who looked at you funny if you didn't somehow meet their ideals of a perfected meta, permadeath, loss of gear ... every bad MMO trope you can experience rolled into a video game.

[And no, the first ones didn't use graphics, and were little more than glorified versions of Adventure with multiple players ... but that particular community was small (less than 150 people) and tight, because everyone knew everyone else and there really wasn't a meta to perfect.]

[ZedxKayn]

the content was produced for you to go through it

Is this an argument to make ultimate and fishing log-completion mandatory I spy?

[DPZ2]

Is this an argument to make ultimate and fishing log-completion mandatory I spy?

Nice try. In context of the argument, specifically, MSQ content for current expansion.

[Tommara]

I blame the apparent dissatisfaction with the MSQ on the misperception that 'end game is the only game'.

"Everything that came before now is boring and a waste of time."
"Having to slog through nearly eight years of episodes is a waste of time, even if they're being binge-watched."

Hint: go watch a youtube summary of the 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0 story lines. Purchase a story and job skip to arrive at current content. Run through the current content - it's a game, it has a story, the content was produced for you to go through it. THEN enjoy(?) the fact that you have so little actual 'current content' to enjoy that you complain. Again.

Rinse-and-repeat.

Or, better yet, go find a multi-player game that requires a minimum of story, with, oh, maybe one patch with new content in any given year. There are plenty to choose from.

I've been playing multi-player games off-and-on for about 35 years now, most with so little story-line that they easily become obsolete after you play them for a few months. And yes, EQ was one of them ... frustrating as heck, no discernible story line, lots of time spent wasting time for things to spawn, unfriendly groups of people who looked at you funny if you didn't somehow meet their ideals of a perfected meta, permadeath, loss of gear ... every bad MMO trope you can experience rolled into a video game.

[And no, the first ones didn't use graphics, and were little more than glorified versions of Adventure with multiple players ... but that particular community was small (less than 150 people) and tight, because everyone knew everyone else and there really wasn't a meta to perfect.]

This has gotten far off track from my opening post. In which I didn't suggest removing content nor do I condone paying to skip it. I could easily afford it, but being a clueless max level toon doesn't sit right with me.

I only suggested moving some quests that are labelled "MSQ" and moving them to side quests. There are approximately 80 MSQ level 50 ARR quests before being able to progress to Heavensward. Since I started playing FF14 long before Heavensward was released, I remember the reasons for it, which was a good faith attempt on the devs' part to have new content between expansions. I don't fault them for that at all. Having all those quests are a good thing.

I just don't think they should have been coded as "MSQ" and hence are mandatory. Those quests absolutely should remain in the game, not only for story, but to give lower level jobs something to do (if only the exp matched at least what comparable beast tribes give.)

The fact that you can pay to skip them is not a good solution. It's just a lazy money grab instead of fixing the root problem, which is to remove the MSQ label from most of those quests.

Edited Note: To be absolutely clear, those 80-ish level 50 quests are a good thing. The fact that they are labeled MSQ and hence mandatory, is not.

[MilkieTea]

Edited Note: To be absolutely clear, those 80-ish level 50 quests are a good thing. The fact that they are labeled MSQ and hence mandatory, is not.

The thing is, these quests are *part* of the main storyline. ALL post-expac quests are part of the main storyline. They continue the story of the expansion, and the only reason they're called Post-MSQ quests is because theyre inserted after the expac is released, rather than at the same time.

What would end up happening is you'd start teleported from Ul'Dah to ishgard, with no prior knowledge of *why* you're there, no way to know why you're persona non grata, until you figured out "oh, these *side quests* explain that?"

side quests are optional content because you don't need to know that information in order to enjoy the story as is.

Can you even give a list of the quests you *wouldn't* remove?

[Tommara]

Can you even give a list of the quests you *wouldn't* remove?

That would be a good question if there wasn't an option to pay to remove them all.