Quote Originally Posted by Lanadra View Post
On another note, there's also things people can do themselves to avoid the bottom tier that apparently some of the people here deal with 95% of the time they use DF.. queue with a premade or use PF. DF is a case of 'you get what you get, make it work'.
I'm just gonna focus on here for a moment. I understand my pool of PF for 4 man is much lower than DF for 4 man, and that can arguably skew it. However...

I've def have had more % wide bad cases in using the PF for this than the DF. One such case stuck imprinted for me (due to it being the reason I never wear my crown ever again) was a SAM I PF'd with specifically with this in mind, who, when we got into the SB dungeon (Sirensong), they were in full ironworks gear. This was before it had a Ilvl restriction (we did have 1 pug spot, so it wasn't full premade tbf.)

The entire time through this dungeon, they were told that it was okay they came in arr gear to a sb instance, because it's just a 4 man and not savage. Any attempt I made to explain the importance of keeping gear update to content was basically pushed aside, as I was just an elitist mentor. Because others gear wasn't very good either, on top of that, I managed to watch an LB2 by me (as a reminder, LB's damage is party average Ilvl) do an amazing 3% of the boss's health. I'm still pretty sure right now I could have done more dps not limit breaking.

I get that example is technically a mix, but I still used the PF regardless, and while I do have other examples of it, that's easily the big PF one that got me to stop, and stop wearing my crown. Maybe if I kept using PF it would happen less often than DF, but having to spend the time to get a party for that stuff, just to find the exact same crap honestly was going to tilt me even more. I don't think in this example's case either it's too much to put forward the importance of running content with updated gear, rather than going into a dungeon that expects 240+ in 120, where you'll get 1 shotted by any unavoidable attack.