Why are the savage clear rates in the JP Datacenter so much higher than NA?

[TaleraRistain]

Who cares? Let JP be what and do what they want to do. If JP have a culture where they feel that if the devs put it out they have to do it, as someone said, let them do that. If it's because Asian cultures are more "the way" instead of "your way" like another person said, let them do that, too.

If NA or EU want to pick and choose the content they do, let them do that. If that isn't Savage, then maybe the question should be why the devs aren't making Savage worthwhile enough for NA or EU to feel it's worth doing. Though you're always going to have some that just aren't interested.

Cultures are different so it stands to reason the data centers for those cultures are different. If someone prefers one mentality over the other, then maybe they belong on that data center.

[LisSquid]

On the data:
I think it has more to do with people in the West not associating 14 with raiding. It's billed as a story game with endgame as a side. So people who would be the type to choose a game that they can really sink their teeth into and prog? Probably going to look elsewhere for that.

Not sure what the attitudes on JP are.

[MirielleLavandre]

Speaking as a Japanese who still has many characters over on the JPN servers (but play on NA since I'm in the US), I think the defining nature of the issue is what some already brought up. In JPN, the PF is used to learn the fights and people create groups with the intent and purpose of actually learning them. People will stay in learning PF groups often until they reach the goal for that session (phase, etc.). They will help underperformers and also learn together, just as they learned together in grade school how to address people in the wider society in the accepted way.

Once they have mastered the fight in PF, they then feel free to enter the DF and join with others in the public who they do not know. However, the sense of responsibility each feels is even increased in DF because they are a part of the team, and it is embarrassing and shameful to join a group of strangers who all expect one to know the fight before queuing in and then not perform accordingly. Just as it is embarrassing and shameful for people in public to not know how to address society once they've left grade school (in this analogy, once they've left the learning area of PF).

In truth, the ways things are reversed here in the NA and EU regions is probably one of the biggest reasons for the disparity. Wouldn't it be great if you knew you could enter any savage DF group and know that it would most likely succeed eventually within a night (even if a wipe or so) because everyone knew the strats and understood the macros that pop up with which strat/positioning will be used, etc.?

TLDR: JPN DCs are doing better because they learn in PF and actually stay to learn, helping with the knowledge that by learning together they are increasing the size of the pool of players they will be able to match up with using the DF whenever they want. Expectations are higher since no one wants to be a burden on all the others in the DF who usually did their fair share of the work learning the fights in PF.

[spf1200]

Forgot to say in my other post please remember to report trolls. We will never get rid of the guy until more people start to report him

[TaleraRistain]

Speaking as a Japanese who still has many characters over on the JPN servers (but play on NA since I'm in the US), I think the defining nature of the issue is what some already brought up. In JPN, the PF is used to learn the fights and people create groups with the intent and purpose of actually learning them. People will stay in learning PF groups often until they reach the goal for that session (phase, etc.). They will help underperformers and also learn together, just as they learned together in grade school how to address people in the wider society in the accepted way.

Once they have mastered the fight in PF, they then feel free to enter the DF and join with others in the public who they do not know. However, the sense of responsibility each feels is even increased in DF because they are a part of the team, and it is embarrassing and shameful to join a group of strangers who all expect one to know the fight before queuing in and then not perform accordingly. Just as it is embarrassing and shameful for people in public to not know how to address society once they've left grade school (in this analogy, once they've left the learning area of PF).

In truth, the ways things are reversed here in the NA and EU regions is probably one of the biggest reasons for the disparity. Wouldn't it be great if you knew you could enter any savage DF group and know that it would most likely succeed eventually within a night (even if a wipe or so) because everyone knew the strats and understood the macros that pop up with which strat/positioning will be used, etc.?

TLDR: JPN DCs are doing better because they learn in PF and actually stay to learn, helping with the knowledge that by learning together they are increasing the size of the pool of players they will be able to match up with using the DF whenever they want. Expectations are higher since no one wants to be a burden on all the others in the DF who usually did their fair share of the work learning the fights in PF.

I think that's a great explanation, but it's missing one thing. Why do they go into the learning PFs in the first place? Do they also do this with MSQ content?

NA and EU could do something like this, but there are still plenty of players on those servers who just aren't interested in the content.

[LisSquid]

Speaking as a Japanese who still has many characters over on the JPN servers (but play on NA since I'm in the US), I think the defining nature of the issue is what some already brought up. In JPN, the PF is used to learn the fights and people create groups with the intent and purpose of actually learning them. People will stay in learning PF groups often until they reach the goal for that session (phase, etc.). They will help underperformers and also learn together, just as they learned together in grade school how to address people in the wider society in the accepted way.

Once they have mastered the fight in PF, they then feel free to enter the DF and join with others in the public who they do not know. However, the sense of responsibility each feels is even increased in DF because they are a part of the team, and it is embarrassing and shameful to join a group of strangers who all expect one to know the fight before queuing in and then not perform accordingly. Just as it is embarrassing and shameful for people in public to not know how to address society once they've left grade school (in this analogy, once they've left the learning area of PF).

In truth, the ways things are reversed here in the NA and EU regions is probably one of the biggest reasons for the disparity. Wouldn't it be great if you knew you could enter any savage DF group and know that it would most likely succeed eventually within a night (even if a wipe or so) because everyone knew the strats and understood the macros that pop up with which strat/positioning will be used, etc.?

TLDR: JPN DCs are doing better because they learn in PF and actually stay to learn, helping with the knowledge that by learning together they are increasing the size of the pool of players they will be able to match up with using the DF whenever they want. Expectations are higher since no one wants to be a burden on all the others in the DF who usually did their fair share of the work learning the fights in PF.

This sort of explains it, but it's still a lack of participation on NA DCs. If no one on NA is using DF for extremes then all we have for pugs are in PF, and it's usually pretty bare compared to JP. And those are just for learning parties.

[Caitsithhh]

Forgot to say in my other post please remember to report trolls. We will never get rid of the guy until more people start to report him

Report for bringing up facts? Hmmmm you’re missing something up there

[MirielleLavandre]

I can only guess that the lack of participation in the NA is due to 2 main factors. One is that learning parties in PF are often not really learning parties. Rather, you get people who leave after 1 or 2 wipes, many who may be looking for a carry, many who sign up for a certain point in the fights but have never learned up until that point yet, etc. I guess there just isn't as much a sense of an 'us' while in the PF and instead a 'me'. The other is that because of this, the only place to find a group that will stick with it and actually learn and not give up is with a static, and the entire process of making/finding/joining a static is so exhausting to many that they just don't want to even try and/or, more often, can't commit to that kind of time investment.

Additionally, there are a subset of JPN who believe, as someone already mentioned, that if you're paying for a game and the devs put the work into it for your sake to have fun, it is only courteous to at least give it a go and see, even if you don't complete, the work the game your paying for has done on your behalf. ^^

[Seleni]

TLDR: JPN DCs are doing better because they learn in PF and actually stay to learn, helping with the knowledge that by learning together they are increasing the size of the pool of players they will be able to match up with using the DF whenever they want. Expectations are higher since no one wants to be a burden on all the others in the DF who usually did their fair share of the work learning the fights in PF.

This concept of using PF as learning tool is intriguing.

Years back, when I was playing other MMOs, you expect that there’d be people unfamiliar with the dungeons whenever you group with strangers, regardless of whether group is formed through a leader recruiting or through auto-matching tools. So other than timed dungeons usually a more experienced player would try to summarize the key mechanics before bosses/tricky fights. And most of the time people stayed unless it’s a totally hopeless case (in part because of how long it’d take to get a group formed)

Having everyone already know the fights probably does make auto-matched groups easier to work with. But I doubt it’d happen on NA servers unless forced through design. (e.g. requiring clearing of a dungeon before being able to move on to higher difficulty)

One question though, was this method recommended through some kind of in-game help text, or was it one of an unspoken rules set by veteran players? If it’s the latter I can imagine some new players having a hard time when they start end-game contents. (And getting silently black-listed
without knowing why)

[DragonFlyy]

We must ask those who don't raid this. This is so we as a community can become better players and hopefully be less of a baggage for everyone else in the community. This is so hopefully one day Asmongold can see how far we have came and join FFXIV.

How about you just leave FFXIV and go play WoW with Asmongold. That way, you get to lick his boots and we don't have to hear about it.