Why are the savage clear rates in the JP Datacenter so much higher than NA?

[WoW]

Thanks for proving my point about how childish you guys are and why people avoid it.

If it keeps others like you away from raiding, then I'm glad to have done so. We don't need our content watered down further.

[Puremallace]

If it keeps others like you away from raiding, then I'm glad to have done so. We don't need our content watered down further.

psttt you keep driving people out of the raiding scene and the developers who make content will keep putting out less of what you want and more of what casuals want. See your latest Ultimate if you want to see the future.

If your goal is to drive the NA raiding scene into the ground then just keep it up. Nobody wants to put up with entitled children acting tough over the internet.

[WoW]

psttt you keep driving people out of the raiding scene and the developers who make content will keep putting out less of what you want and more of what casuals want. See your latest Ultimate if you want to see the future.

If your goal is to drive the NA raiding scene into the ground then just keep it up. Nobody wants to put up with entitled children acting tough over the internet.

Less content with actual challenge is 100% better than more boring content with bad players that don't even know how to play their job.

[BunniEclair]

There is a LITERAL 31 page thread 2 post below this that has every single reason why the high end community in this MMO gate keeps the content. It is a static concept where you expect to find 8 people doing these perfect rotations, all using ACT and all with these schedules to devote to the content.

In literally every single other MMO that is called a guild but in FF14 it is this loose group of people that raid a few times once every 6 months when new content drops then vanish again or going into the party finder and beat your head against a wall.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...nabling/page31

Most of NA came from other MMO's that had guilds that organized this kind of stuff. Casual guilds...hardcore guilds but in FF14 everyone is told this static thing is how the MMO works and personally I think it is really stupid.

One of the FCs I’m in *does* organize this stuff and there are lots of other FCs that focus on raiding and have multiple groups within them. There are also tons of casual statics perfectly capable of getting clears and having a good time without having a perfect rotation or ACT running. There will always be people in MMOs with huge egos for having cleared hard content- packaging it as a guild or a static doesn’t really change that.

I’m sure you’ve had some bad experiences but if you ever wanted to try savage/ultimate there are plenty of groups out there that aren’t toxic. I had a friend recently return to the game after quitting when his static dumped him after pressuring him to take up a class he didn’t want to play and he’s since found a really nice static that he’s becoming fast friends with.

Not to be serious in the troll thread but figured I’d let you know that aside from the plug-in thing, the experience you’re looking for is possible. If you’re fine with just staying casual there’s no shame in that, and the game very much does cater to that. But to act like the raiding community at large is some sort of toxic cesspit is disingenuous.

[Alaray]

There is a LITERAL 31 page thread 2 post below this that has every single reason why the high end community in this MMO gate keeps the content. It is a static concept where you expect to find 8 people doing these perfect rotations, all using ACT and all with these schedules to devote to the content.

In literally every single other MMO that is called a guild but in FF14 it is this loose group of people that raid a few times once every 6 months when new content drops then vanish again or going into the party finder and beat your head against a wall.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...nabling/page31

Most of NA came from other MMO's that had guilds that organized this kind of stuff. Casual guilds...hardcore guilds but in FF14 everyone is told this static thing is how the MMO works and personally I think it is really stupid.

As someone who actively participates in raid content, it's not.

And I can tell you, nobody in the static I joined up with does perfect rotations or is going for gold/orange/pink parses. Most of the people are just trying it out for the first time, learning, or practicing brand new roles in a new tier. And most of the time, in PF, so long as you're there to try your best people won't care. So long as when you make a mistake, you explain that you understand you made a mistake, or if you're confused, you ask. Even in statics were there was more of an emphasis on focusing up and trying to play well, we weren't shooting for high parses or the like -- I mean, in Eden's Gate my static used a downtime strat on Leviathan since it was more consistent for reclearing, and people would mess up and die to a mech here or there, or perform badly, but since we were more than comfortably killing the boss it didn't really matter, since our goal together was to practice and clear in as reasonably amount of time as we could manage with our... six hour a week schedule, I think. And, even this tier, so long as we individually improve, we don't care about the overall parse placement. Especially when absolutely none of us are BiS and, at least I, started with them like... two months ago? And most of us are just kinda having fun, occasionally memeing about. It's not as serious an environment.

But, really, if someone does join a clear party but hasn't comfortably been to enrage, they shouldn't join that party. And if the party lead chooses to remove them due to their inability to perform the mechanics of the fight, or do baseline adequate DPS to meet the check, that's completely fair in my eyes and all that should say is: "You need to practice a bit more, you're not ready to clear it yet". And that's not toxic.

Most of the time that thread is a bunch of people just being petty over dungeon parses. Barely anyone really cares about dungeon parses, especially since it's content where none of it matters even if you're doing a weirdly macro'd AoE rotation or whatever. I mean, I vent here and there to my friends when I'm in a needlessly rough run, but right after I just forget and move on.

Like, for my own experiences:

I threw up a couple learning PF's for various high end content/joined a few I knew to practice them a bit more on the new role I'm playing. Vast majority of people who came in were incredibly chill, would explain something if I did have a question, or if they had experience in my role on it, would provide some insight/advice for what they would do at those points that I could do to smooth it out. Sure, I got some weird people who didn't really understand what the point of the parties were (ie: people who seemed to think they joined clear/reclear parties instead of [___] prog, but for people who can't read, I just b-list them so I don't have to deal with it in the future). Even when I was super brand new, and terrible hot garbage at everything, anyone I spoke to would happily help me out and answer my questions, point me to resources, or explain basics such as "Well, you shouldn't have grit on, and you shouldn't overcap your resources, and you should really consider rotating your defensives better on x fight due to needing to consider auto attack damage" etc... I never really had someone go "lol ur trash" even though like, I was. Even when a popular streamer got baited into an accidentally listed Guardian "Clear" party since the party lead listed as that and not the more apt "virus prog", all I really got were tips and some help with struggle points.

Only time people really care about perfect rotations and extremely finely tuned play is, largely, if you're in speedkill groups. And, usually, the good ones for that tend to be semi-static in some way. Parse parties, as far as the ones I've seen, tend to care predominantly about personal performance over everyone else's (at least, with regards to DPS -- if you're farming logs, you should know the fight since that's sort of a base understanding between those there).

There are people who get complexes, or oversized egos over the content and tend to act dickish towards people. But that's true in anything. Same stuff happens in RP communities. Same stuff happens in the glamour community. It's not really limited to "just the community I don't like".

Also, the one guy you're responding to in subsequent posts largely just stirs stuff up and is more than likely just a troll out to ruffle people's feathers. Kind of like a more intense MPK, though sometimes I kinda hope MPK actually cares about the topics they post sometimes.

[Scott]

Raiding just doesn't give me anything. I raided back in the Days Coil of Bahamut because I wanted to see the Story. Since Alexander the Story is experienced during the Normal Mode so I don't see a reason to do the Savage Mode because I just don't care for Gear. Gear is worthless after a few month unlike in FFXI where Gear was useful many many many years. But this Vertical Gear Progression makes Gear totally worthless for me, and with the Story in Normal Mode, Savage just doesn't offer anything im interested in.

[Goji1639]

The scheduling issue does kind of suck for savage I'll agree with that.

But the "conferencing" is more about actual coordination and call outs for fights where you'll be grateful to have them, especially when there's lots of stuff happening at once. But it's really not that bad once you master the fights and get them down.

My static does all our re-clears Tuesday night, takes about 2-2.5 hours including breaks, and then we're done for the entire week.

Although I find the static fights and how unforgiving they are fun and challenging, your mileage may vary.

I just think that people who say that Savage is too "hard" for the majority of players are missing the point, honestly.

MMORPG content is never actually difficult, it's just gated behind severe inconvenience. Give people a way to practice and prep for Savage content solo and participation will be way up, and so will the success rate of PuGs. If they continue forcing people to severely inconvenience their real lives, however, then Savage will always be niche here.

[Caitsithhh]

psttt you keep driving people out of the raiding scene and the developers who make content will keep putting out less of what you want and more of what casuals want. See your latest Ultimate if you want to see the future.

If your goal is to drive the NA raiding scene into the ground then just keep it up. Nobody wants to put up with entitled children acting tough over the internet.

Stan, chill.... if it’s not for you then nobody cares. Why even respond when your points are all just your point of view?!?! And has nothing to offer to the op’s post past your first “weirdchamp” post

[SenorPatty]

From the latest lucky bancho post:


I guess that shatters the myth that "Only 5% of the players attempt Savage".

How come the mentality of JP is so much better than NA. Why doesn't NA want to attempt anything hard at all?

Source:
https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/55652337.html

We know why.

Actually true. NA tries and just cannot compete because they refuse to A) get better or B) put enough time for it. Too busy RP’ing in “Bars” to even care is somewhere on that list as well

Here we go again. This won't end badly at all.

It's the flavor of the month: Select savage raiders attempt to shame and "motivate" the uncultured, ignorant casual masses into being "better".

Maybe the JP mentality that is "better" because the raiding scene doesn't have so much baggage as much as NA?

[WhyAmIHere]

psttt you keep driving people out of the raiding scene and the developers who make content will keep putting out less of what you want and more of what casuals want. See your latest Ultimate if you want to see the future.

If your goal is to drive the NA raiding scene into the ground then just keep it up. Nobody wants to put up with entitled children acting tough over the internet.

yeah because covid botching everything up for almost a year+ didn't have anything to do at all with them already having employees shuffled around projects, and we didn't also get barebones watered down seasonal events, two of which were just two events frankenstein'd into one single event. not to mention the rest of the content, MSQ and side stuff, also getting botched in the backside so things had to get pushed back as well. As well as the fact the endwalker expansion also got pushed back.
Nah man it's all because ""toxic raiders"" pushing casuals to [strike]learn to play the game right[/strike] "git gud" is instead """""pushing them away and making the devs cater to the casuals that barely engage with the game."""""
Yup.

only one acting entitled here's you.