Scores on Frontline

[Cidel]

The problem isn't so much that they're afk (necessarily), but that they're likely a bot that's either programmed to run around the map on their mount- or intentionally trying to lose quicker and evade the afk auto-kick by being a drain on their team or giving the enemy teams a source of Battle High.

It can be difficult to notice sometimes, but if you do see someone with unusual behavior like repeatedly running to the enemy territory alone and dying at a abnormally quick rate between respawns, chances are this is what they're doing. It's not always a bot, but more akin to someone intentionally letting themselves be killed as if they've given up and want the match to end sooner. I've called-out a few people for this behavior before, and they usually make a lame excuse and start acting like they're contributing. Unfortunately, vote kicking isn't always a solution, because the majority of your party may be apathetic, and at that point- what can you do?

[apophis13]

The problem isn't so much that they're afk (necessarily), but that they're likely a bot that's either programmed to run around the map on their mount- or intentionally trying to lose quicker and evade the afk auto-kick by being a drain on their team or giving the enemy teams a source of Battle High.

It can be difficult to notice sometimes, but if you do see someone with unusual behavior like repeatedly running to the enemy territory alone and dying at a abnormally quick rate between respawns, chances are this is what they're doing. It's not always a bot, but more akin to someone intentionally letting themselves be killed as if they've given up and want the match to end sooner. I've called-out a few people for this behavior before, and they usually make a lame excuse and start acting like they're contributing. Unfortunately, vote kicking isn't always a solution, because the majority of your party may be apathetic, and at that point- what can you do?

Let me ask you this. For 30 days in a row, in Frontline, I've lost every match due to the new exploit that Pre-Made teams are using. So, since the pick up group team is always going to lose, then why should they try? Does the pre-made team even care if the other teams try? Isn't the point that they want an easy, challenge free victory. Isn't that specifically why they are choosing to do the things that they do? What does it matter. I'm happy to play hard if I have a chance, but if there's no chance, why bother?

[ItMe]

Let me ask you this. For 30 days in a row, in Frontline, I've lost every match due to the new exploit that Pre-Made teams are using.

I haven't PVPed lately.
What's this new exploit?

[apophis13]

No idea, but it's something to do with Premades finding a way to all get on the same team despite the duty finder. No clue what they are doing, but they certainly are. It's become impossible for the pick up teams to win lately.

[Cidel]

No idea, but it's something to do with Premades finding a way to all get on the same team despite the duty finder. No clue what they are doing, but they certainly are. It's become impossible for the pick up teams to win lately.

I mean, if you have any substantial proof or evidence that they're gaming the system somehow to trick whatever sorting algorithm for team distribution aside from "that team has a lot of battle fevers," I'd like to hear/see it. I've heard this cry wolf to explain why one team seemingly does better than the others as a default excuse so much since the first Frontlines modes that I always take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying its impossible, but I find it highly unlikely at this point in Frontlines after the universal forced freelancer. If it exists, I can't say it looks like a thing on Primal.

Let me ask you this. For 30 days in a row, in Frontline, I've lost every match due to the new exploit that Pre-Made teams are using. So, since the pick up group team is always going to lose, then why should they try? Does the pre-made team even care if the other teams try? Isn't the point that they want an easy, challenge free victory. Isn't that specifically why they are choosing to do the things that they do? What does it matter. I'm happy to play hard if I have a chance, but if there's no chance, why bother?

Then let me ask you this: why do you queue at all if it really is this way? If its really as hopeless as you insinuate that it is, how masochistic do you have to be to keep queuing just to actively throw the match? In the end you just waste the time and effort of others who might attempt to put up a fight by intentionally running to the enemy team to offer free kills. There's a difference between having no chance and actively being a detriment to the rest of your team.

[Divinemights]

I mean, if you have any substantial proof or evidence that they're gaming the system somehow to trick whatever sorting algorithm for team distribution aside from "that team has a lot of battle fevers," I'd like to hear/see it. I've heard this cry wolf to explain why one team seemingly does better than the others as a default excuse so much since the first Frontlines modes that I always take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying its impossible, but I find it highly unlikely at this point in Frontlines after the universal forced freelancer. If it exists, I can't say it looks like a thing on Primal.



Then let me ask you this: why do you queue at all if it really is this way? If its really as hopeless as you insinuate that it is, how masochistic do you have to be to keep queuing just to actively throw the match? In the end you just waste the time and effort of others who might attempt to put up a fight by intentionally running to the enemy team to offer free kills. There's a difference between having no chance and actively being a detriment to the rest of your team.

You are talking to an alt avatar and crystal frontline ladder beside one bot, you don't see any irregular.
If what he is claiming is true, you would see there is a gap between game won on ladder; but there is not

[apophis13]

You are talking to an alt avatar and crystal frontline ladder beside one bot, you don't see any irregular.
If what he is claiming is true, you would see there is a gap between game won on ladder; but there is not

Did you grow up under powerlines or something? Why would a bot be complaining about fairness in an online PvP game?

The fact that I started a new character a few months ago and am leveling up the classes on this character is 100% immaterial to the discussion that we are having. So, if you can't stick to the topic at hand, perhaps you should see yourself out.

[apophis13]

I mean, if you have any substantial proof or evidence that they're gaming the system somehow to trick whatever sorting algorithm for team distribution aside from "that team has a lot of battle fevers," I'd like to hear/see it. I've heard this cry wolf to explain why one team seemingly does better than the others as a default excuse so much since the first Frontlines modes that I always take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying its impossible, but I find it highly unlikely at this point in Frontlines after the universal forced freelancer. If it exists, I can't say it looks like a thing on Primal.



Then let me ask you this: why do you queue at all if it really is this way? If its really as hopeless as you insinuate that it is, how masochistic do you have to be to keep queuing just to actively throw the match? In the end you just waste the time and effort of others who might attempt to put up a fight by intentionally running to the enemy team to offer free kills. There's a difference between having no chance and actively being a detriment to the rest of your team.

No idea. I just know that about a month ago, I started losing every match. Now, I'm not saying that I'm good at PvP, but I did ok before that. Now, I lose every day, and my friends are telling me it's the same for them. I actually was having fun. Not sure what changed or what they are doing. But...mathematically, it's pretty uncertain to lose 30/30 matches.

As to your second question, I'm leveling my classes and doing the daily queues. Not sure what to say about that. Frontline isn't fun, but it gets you the better part of a level every run.

[apophis13]

I tell you what, though. I do this every day as part of my queues. I'll let you know if I win a match or if I even see a match that is close. I'm telling you. Mathematically, there's an exploit of some kind being used. Either that, or we've happened upon a circumstance is a 100 to 1 liklihood. Obviously, the former is more probable than the later. Occam's razer says that the premades are exploiting the system.

Edit: Correction. I pulled out my calculator. The probability of this occurrence is 0.000521509%, which can also be expressed as 1 in 191751. You have a better chance of winning jumbo cactpot Much less than 1 in a 100. I mean, maybe it's just luck, but, you know, that's pretty unlikely That's 2/3 (your likelihood of losing) to the power of 30. So, your likelihood of losing 30 times in a row is the number above, but, yet, it has happened