Worried for SCH

[Mesarthim]

(Unless they delete something first. Again.)

They'll delete Energy Drain, then add it back.

[NobleWinter]

They'll delete Energy Drain, then add it back.

Im still angry at how ridiculous it was to remove Energy Drain without altering the way Scholar functioned at it's core. It was literally a key component to how the class worked and they ripped it out on a whim. Then they had the nerve to nerf it's damage after begrudgingly giving it back because clearly they still hate it and anyone who plays Scholar judging by their lack of response to the fairy Ghosting Healing Abilities for this entire expansion.

[SpiralMask]

Im still angry at how ridiculous it was to remove Energy Drain without altering the way Scholar functioned at it's core. It was literally a key component to how the class worked and they ripped it out on a whim. Then they had the nerve to nerf it's damage after begrudgingly giving it back because clearly they still hate it and anyone who plays Scholar judging by their lack of response to the fairy Ghosting Healing Abilities for this entire expansion.

they didnt rip it out on a whim--they ripped it out because there were dps players seeing aetherflow stacks not being wasted on them
which should be noted is also one of the main reasons cited for SCH losing all of it's dots in the combat overhaul; since other players felt that the SCH wasn't doing it's job enough, and claimed that other healers were being burdened by them devoting GCDs to dps, despite the fact that 85% of the SCH's healing kit was AND STILL IS both reactionary and instant specifically to allow them to use GCD spells to balance spinning dot plates

[Grimoire-M]

they didnt rip it out on a whim--they ripped it out because there were dps players seeing aetherflow stacks not being wasted on them
which should be noted is also one of the main reasons cited for SCH losing all of it's dots in the combat overhaul; since other players felt that the SCH wasn't doing it's job enough, and claimed that other healers were being burdened by them devoting GCDs to dps, despite the fact that 85% of the SCH's healing kit was AND STILL IS both reactionary and instant specifically to allow them to use GCD spells to balance spinning dot plates

They ripped it out because they genuinely wanted SCHs to be healing with aetherflow only, instead of recognizing why we were using it on Energy Drain in the first place and tuning damage to require the use of Aetherflow consistently. Pre-Stormblood trials actually make decent use of Lustrate if your cohealer isn't dumb and spamming regens constantly. The lesson they should have learned was that Tanks need to be taking more consistent auto damage, period. Alas, nope.

[GrimGale]

I'd say, Sage is going to get the Aetherflow charge system from SCH with a couple of tweaks while SCH loses it completely. I guess being more reliant on the Fairy gauge wouldn't be that bad.

[Foxkid]

I'd say, Sage is going to get the Aetherflow charge system from SCH with a couple of tweaks while SCH loses it completely. I guess being more reliant on the Fairy gauge wouldn't be that bad.

That would only work if they completely rework the system of what even charges the fairy gauge first, and even then, what would they do to Lustrate since slapping a cooldown on it completely defeats the purpose of it being an emergency single heal in contrast to Indom, Sacred, and Excog already having inlaid cooldowns that can be worked around? And leaving it as a 1s cd makes Physick even more obsolete than it is currently unless the heal isn't imperative to that degree, which I would end up seeing a potency nerf on it in this situation.

Going further would be that they either remove and replace Fey Union if they begin costing fairy gauge or repurpose it entirely to not drain from it at all. The latter matter is they either leave it as is as a continuous regen that locks off 4 other abilities in the process plus placement options or they try something else with it if it's meant to be "Lily's Special Care" as a "target and forget" 18-30s regen on the tank that the fairy casts instead of you that doesn't give up WD, Seraph, FB, or Illum. But in doing so we just get DAB or Regen again, just at a way later level than WHM and AST which means more homogenization between the existing 3 and the coming 4th, if that.

[SkkyBlue]

i love sch, its my main. i think a change on some of its skills should be done. i mean, i don't even use this aetherpact skill. maybe change it into a buff or a dmg mitigation but also increase its fairy gauge cost.. fairy blessing too, increase its cost and make the potency a little bit higher and decrease its cooldown or maybe no cooldown at all because it is already locked behind the fairy gauge.. i dont know, maybe its just me.. cuz usually, 1min on the fight and i have like 40 or 50 fairy gauge already and nothing to use it on.

[Raikai]

and even then, what would they do to Lustrate since slapping a cooldown on it completely defeats the purpose of it being an emergency single heal in contrast to Indom, Sacred, and Excog already having inlaid cooldowns that can be worked around?

They can add 3 charges to it. The only difference is that with charges that replenish one at a time, the chances of having wasteful Lustrates is smaller.

[NobleWinter]

They can add 3 charges to it. The only difference is that with charges that replenish one at a time, the chances of having wasteful Lustrates is smaller.

Please dont let Lustrate have charges and who is having a problem with wasteful lustrates? We got Energy Drain for that. I imagined it being a 20 second charge time and I just couldnt function with that in dungeons. If I have a tank doing big pulls I will purposely hold off on using aetherflow charges toward the end of boss fights so that I can rapid fire 3 lustrates, use aetherflow, and then fire off another 3 lustrates. That's six lustrates back to back and you can't do that with a charge system. It's literally the only time Scholar feels tactical and that's a huge part of it's identity; saving, spending, manipulating resources to heal well. Charges are great for some things but lustrate in it's current form is better.

[Raikai]

Please dont let Lustrate have charges and who is having a problem with wasteful lustrates? We got Energy Drain for that. I imagined it being a 20 second charge time and I just couldnt function with that in dungeons. If I have a tank doing big pulls I will purposely hold off on using aetherflow charges toward the end of boss fights so that I can rapid fire 3 lustrates, use aetherflow, and then fire off another 3 lustrates. That's six lustrates back to back and you can't do that with a charge system. It's literally the only time Scholar feels tactical and that's a huge part of it's identity; saving, spending, manipulating resources to heal well. Charges are great for some things but lustrate in it's current form is better.

Hm... Look behind the post, it's a response to someone responding another person about Aetherflow rework. If Aetherflow gets removed.

Of course, as it is right now (with aetherflow and energy drain), yes, you're right, but otherwise, though...