Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Caurcas]

Maybe SE should implement an auto kick for player not doing the bare minimum to be okay.

[MagiusNecros]

You could just form your own FC and not have to deal with that problem outside of Alliances.

The Ozma and Meteors days were fantastic let me tell you.

Edit: Linkshells also an option.

[Seera1024]

Maybe SE should implement an auto kick for player not doing the bare minimum to be okay.

And who determines bare minimum when the ability to complete content is a teamwork thing. A player doing above average work in normal mode can pick up someone not performing on average for whatever reason.

Should the player who plays with a wireless keyboard get kicked because their keyboard died mid dungeon boss fight either because of the stop in the middle due to changing the batteries or the slowness using the mouse to play and move at the same time would cause for someone not used to doing that?

What if it's a party finder group or a group of friends who are knowingly carrying someone who can't do bare minimum for whatever reason?

What if someone isn't doing well because another party member is messing up mechanics and causing them to have to adjust? Like a Black Mage having to chase down someone who is running away from the party with a stack marker? They can scathe, but that's not going to meet bare minimum when just looking at Black Mage capabilities.

When using Duty Finder you need to be open to having less than perfect runs because players of all skills and goals come together.

If you do not want to deal with the hassle of less than perfect runs, then you shouldn't use the Duty Finder as the primary means to get others to play with you. You should use Party Finder or FC's or your friends list.

[Awha]

I'd say a DPS consistently not out DPS'ing a tank or healer in normal content is underperforming.

They may not be underperforming to the point that they are causing wipes, but they are significantly slowing down progress if that's the case.

A DPS not performing well is just as dangerous. Because lower DPS means a longer fight. A longer fight increases the chances of players making a mistake with mechanics or skill usage that could result in a wipe.

A D grade while passing is under performing. A person just caring to graduate high school may not have motivation to improve their performance, but they are still under performing.

Duty finder mixes players of all skill levels and game goals together. As long as the content's being completed, I personally wouldn't agree with a kick, especially if there hasn't been any attempt to nicely ask the player to improve. Players who care about the skill levels and game goals should use party finder to form a group.

I do agree that if people wish to play a certain way or at a certain skill level should use PF.

That goes for either side of the spectrum. Though I know telling a willfully free style Sam to use PF might be viewed as toxic or Gate keeping.

This is why I often use with at the very least one friend so often we have the vote majority.

[Novae]

Maybe SE should implement an auto kick for player not doing the bare minimum to be okay.

We already have one and it's called "timer".

[Teefuh]

i was in an alliance raid and had to check to something happening outside my front door, it was just a package delivery btw. and it was just the labyrinth, a super easy lvl 50 raid. and i got vote dismissed by the end of the fight with zero warning. why does SE let this happen, and now I have a duty timer ban because this isn't the first time it's happened. People will vote dismiss bc they believe someone is trying to ruin their life by being afk for a minute or two.

[Awha]

i was in an alliance raid and had to check to something happening outside my front door, it was just a package delivery btw. and it was just the labyrinth, a super easy lvl 50 raid. and i got vote dismissed by the end of the fight with zero warning. why does SE let this happen, and now I have a duty timer ban because this isn't the first time it's happened. People will vote dismiss bc they believe someone is trying to ruin their life by being afk for a minute or two.

I know many will disagree but do not take a vote dismissal personally. Often times it is better to be removed then deal with a group that just do not mesh.

Granted not sure if you told the group had to go afk or what but for the most part I am one of those people if someone does not mention they are going afk or if I happen to not see it in chat I will start a vote if it passes cool if not it is whatever. Worst that happens it does not pass often it is not personal just some people do not like leeches and if you did not mention why or they missed it all they have to go back is you not moving.

[Vinupra-Rosa]

Maybe SE should implement an auto kick for player not doing the bare minimum to be okay.

Yet another painful-to-see hot take right after the whole 'guise we should have duty finder tiering'.

Again the answer to your woes has been handed to you on a several platter several times by different people: enter as premade.

Like, I get the frustration. I've had encountered tanks who won't AoE, tanks who won't use stance, healers who only cast cure, healers who don't dps, dps who don't aoe, dps who don't stop dying. What I do is not dismiss them right-away but offer advice. Try to help. And I find that if you word things nicely people tend to listen -- i've seen a WHM go from cure/medica spamming at the start of a dungeon to using holy and cure II at the end of it. I've seen tanks adjust and begin using AoEs, pull bigger, use cooldowns better. I've seen DPS doing their rotations semi-competently after a few pulls.

And there are those who don't improve, or bite back when given advice. At which point you have two options: leave, or kick. If you personally are offended by the other player's conduct but the rest of the party doesn't mind? Leave. If you feel like the entire party is fed up? Kick.

People who are doing (or not) 'bare minimum' might be lazy, but they might also just be unskilled and/or not given the proper guidance. Or they might be having issues irl (hardware, situational, emotional) that might be barring them from doing what you'd consider 'ideal'. They might also be hampered by the actions of another person in the group (I once kept dying in Breach because other people kept on getting me killed)

So yes. Take a seat please.

[Caurcas]

We already have one and it's called "timer".

If you are running out of time in a dungeon, 24 man, or a normal 8 man. You should probably check to see if you have a pulse.

[Jojoya]

Maybe SE should implement an auto kick for player not doing the bare minimum to be okay.

The game doesn't know the reason for that player's level of participation while the party might and be okay with it.

If someone is not contributing in a way the party objects to, the party is perfectly capable of initiating the kick.