Fake FCs' Housing Abuse

[Themarvin]

Another idea that will hurt FC's more then help. Start a FC and try to recruit people you will lose more people then you gain. Most wont even hang around a week before leaving for a FC that is already established and active. It would also drive recruiting fc's to send more random invites and advertise in shout to greater levels then they already do.

That is like saying another good attempt to keep the scamers at bay? Also make the ToS very clear on that Ninja Invites to FC's when creating an FC to begin with, is prohibited, because it is, or make people aware of that you can report people for this kind of activity.

[Arielen]

That is like saying another good attempt to keep the scamers at bay? Also make the ToS very clear on that Ninja Invites to FC's when creating an FC to begin with, is prohibited, because it is, or make people aware of that you can report people for this kind of activity.

You can report absolutely any type of behavior. Whether it's punishable is another matter. Even if someone is repeatedly spamming you with invites and you report them every time, they won't get punished unless they actually go around the blacklist function to do it. Otherwise, the GMs give you the same shitty copy pasted "blacklist disruptive players" nonsense. For a month, several mentors on Mateus NN reported someone that was posting sexual solicitation and racist messages in NN several times a day, constantly kicking the guy, and we were all given the same "blacklist disruptive players" shit every single time. The GMs seem to believe that if you don't block someone, that they clearly aren't so disruptive that it requires action being taken from their side.

tldr you're never going to succeed at stopping ninja invites

[NanaWiloh]

That is like saying another good attempt to keep the scamers at bay? Also make the ToS very clear on that Ninja Invites to FC's when creating an FC to begin with, is prohibited, because it is, or make people aware of that you can report people for this kind of activity.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...&la=1&ret=rule Please point out where it says sending out FC invites to random people is a violation. Most you could call a invite is disruptive but as Arielen pointed out, unless the person is going out of their way to spam you with invites. You wont see a lick of action from the GM's, And nowhere does it say you have to ask someone before you send them a FC invite.

[NanaWiloh]

That's kinda the problem with the shell FCs... how do you rein those in without screwing over the legitimate FCs?

This is one problem I feel there is no good solution too. Even the solution I posted has its draw backs, in that not all players who are part of Mulitple FC's are using them to get more houses..

[Almagnus1]

This is one problem I feel there is no good solution too. Even the solution I posted has its draw backs, in that not all players who are part of Mulitple FC's are using them to get more houses..

I'm looking at the entire thing with housing going "these greedy idiots are why we can't have anything nice".

And even when there is a solution to one problem it will often have unforeseen consequences (insert G Man here) because often you're trading one problem for another. The worse part about all of this is when someone on the forums thinks it's cute to quote you on one of these solutions, and then you proceed to get flamed whenever a new issue comes around, someone sees the quote, opens the thread, and adds their hatred towards you because they don't understand the historical context in which the original post was made. It's also why you should change your sig when you're quoting someone and they have requested that you don't quote them.

[Penthea]

The worse part about all of this is when someone on the forums thinks it's cute to quote you on one of these solutions, and then you proceed to get flamed whenever a new issue comes around, someone sees the quote, opens the thread, and adds their hatred towards you because they don't understand the historical context in which the original post was made. It's also why you should change your sig when you're quoting someone and they have requested that you don't quote them.

I have to say I'm not keen on that person adopting a quote of yours as a signature. The intention is clear; to draw attention to a suggestion you made so that others would blame you for a situation they do not like.

Regardless of how great or terrible your suggestion is SE are the ones who decided to bring that mechanic into the game, you didn't. You're not personally responsible for its existence. We don't even have confirmation that SE even read your suggestion. They could have come up with it themselves. It's not uncommon for multiple people to come up with similar ideas. Heh, just look at how many lotto threads there are to see proof of this.

I'm looking at the entire thing with housing going "these greedy idiots are why we can't have anything nice".

Well they're not entirely to blame, there aren't enough houses anyway. But they are needlessly making a bad situation worse. We really need proper instanced housing so that absolutely no one's actions can have any impact on your chances of getting a house. It's really the only way to fix everything.

[Almagnus1]

Regardless of how great or terrible your suggestion is SE are the ones who decided to bring that mechanic into the game, you didn't. You're not personally responsible for its existence. We don't even have confirmation that SE even read your suggestion. They could have come up with it themselves. It's not uncommon for multiple people to come up with similar ideas. Heh, just look at how many lotto threads there are to see proof of this.

As as logical as all that is... that thread is proof that none of that matters to the average forum goer... what's most frustrating is that there's a group of posters here that just want to shout down anyone they don't agree with... of which I'm fairly certain that the two posters that have that quote in their sig are a part of (and I'm fairly certain one of them have been moderated if not banned). They generally don't make positive contributions to conversation... just shoot people down and troll them.

If you look at the thread, you've got the revival of it by this group of posters almost three years to the day that the thread went dormant in 2017... which then died off for several months until fairly recently as it's likely someone got screwed over by the mechanic, and the cycle is going to keep repeating itself ad infinitum. It's why I (correctly) called that sig a form of harassment, as that's it's purpose and it's working rather well in that regard.

Well they're not entirely to blame, there aren't enough houses anyway. But they are needlessly making a bad situation worse. We really need proper instanced housing so that absolutely no one's actions can have any impact on your chances of getting a house. It's really the only way to fix everything.

That's also why I'm in favor of eliminating grandfathering after:

• Giving all alts on a server access to any and all houses owned by the player on that server
• Giving all houses the FC storage chest (which is similar to what LotRO does, but their housing storage capacity is determined by housing size)
• Giving us another way to garden (hopefully this is coming in Endbringers)
• Give everyone workshop access regardless of housing status
• Give everyone the option to get a house in an Ishgard NPC ward which should become the instanced housing ward (why are we displacing Ishgardians when it's clear they need the house more than we do?)

Once all of the above has been done, then (and only then) does it make sense to start talking about ending grandfathered housing. Additionally, all of this will also (indirectly) address part of the shell FC issue as it will reducing the desire for solo players to create an FC just to access things that are locked behind being in an FC.

[Arielen]

Well they're not entirely to blame, there aren't enough houses anyway. But they are needlessly making a bad situation worse. We really need proper instanced housing so that absolutely no one's actions can have any impact on your chances of getting a house. It's really the only way to fix everything.

Agreed.

Timer or no, there wouldn't be enough housing, even if you removed grandfathered houses or nuked inactive or undersized FCs. The two things have little to do with each other, in a sense. That's why I think it's pointless to come up with band-aid fixes. We need Ishgard housing to come out, and we also need additional servers or whole DCs to compensate for a playerbase that is likely to increase come the new expansion.

As for instanced housing, they either lack of resources or willingness to expand on the apartment system. While it would be a perfect solution to our problems, that requires SE to want to go that route, and they like their silly neighborhood system.

To a certain point, I think that repeated suggestions are just venting; a lotto system wouldn't add enough houses, instanced housing has been seen and ignored, refused or worked on (would be nice to get more info on those islands), badgering about FCs and grandfathering is just as pointless.

[NanaWiloh]

Agreed.

Timer or no, there wouldn't be enough housing, even if you removed grandfathered houses or nuked inactive or undersized FCs. The two things have little to do with each other, in a sense. That's why I think it's pointless to come up with band-aid fixes. We need Ishgard housing to come out, and we also need additional servers or whole DCs to compensate for a playerbase that is likely to increase come the new expansion.

As for instanced housing, they either lack of resources or willingness to expand on the apartment system. While it would be a perfect solution to our problems, that requires SE to want to go that route, and they like their silly neighborhood system.

To a certain point, I think that repeated suggestions are just venting; a lotto system wouldn't add enough houses, instanced housing has been seen and ignored, refused or worked on (would be nice to get more info on those islands), badgering about FCs and grandfathering is just as pointless.

Someone in another thread said the devs touched on why they didnt use instance housing. Answer was because of how the backbone of the game is designed it cant handle it properly, apparently they did test it out in house. The results were massive lag and game crashes caused by the instanced housing.I am going to take a guess and say their storage issues alongside how this game handles instancing to began with is what caused it.

[Almagnus1]

Someone in another thread said the devs touched on why they didnt use instance housing. Answer was because of how the backbone of the game is designed it cant handle it properly, apparently they did test it out in house. The results were massive lag and game crashes caused by the instanced housing.I am going to take a guess and say their storage issues alongside how this game handles instancing to began with is what caused it.

It might be worth looking into that again... if sufficient time has passed the servers likely have more processing power, faster storage, and more RAM at their disposal now than when they did it the last time so... maybe results are different?

That and some of the game infrastructure may be different.