Idea for venues

[Lanadra]

The people who are in favor of allowing public 18+ activities can scream out anything you want as a reason for continuing to break the game's rules but it literally is irrelevant since you're still breaking the game's rules and if you get caught will be sent to gaol over it.

As far as I'm aware from my time on the forums and reading the posts from people who have been caught, they were all public cases. The OPs in those threads were blatantly advertising ERP services either in their post or in their carrd (like I said before, we can assume GMs are taking these as evidence now if posted by the people involved in the actual venue). Private ERP (as in, two or more (if you're spicy like that) consenting adults in their own room going to town) has not been targeted and personally I don't think they care (like Saefinn said in their previous post).

The massive issue is coming in when people are taking it public and advertising selling sex as a service and trying to make money off of it. That is a literal brothel setting and it's something that Yoshi has already stated PUBLICALLY that he is against and encourages people TO REPORT IT. (Source: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/392166)

To the OP of this thread: Instead of coming at the people who are reporting it (Some are malicious I will give you that and I don't encourage it at all if it's not for the right reasons), recognize that selling sex in a 13+ game is the problem and people who do have an issue with ERP in this game will report you about it. Going underground and hiding the truth behind a false PF ad or whatever else is used to advertise will still get you in trouble if someone decides to screencap your interactions. In fact it might even turn out worse since you're intentionally trying to hide it. An RP tab won't change the game's or Yoshi's stance on brothels.

Interesting to see the responses of the people in that thread. None really take it seriously or think it's an issue.. even going so far as saying 'wasted question' and saying 'I won't report it', yet now not even 2 years later it's an actual issue that people are being reported and thrown into the Gaol for if all the whining ERP advertisers are any indication.

[LianaThorne]

Interesting to see the responses of the people in that thread. None really take it seriously or think it's an issue.. even going so far as saying 'wasted question' and saying 'I won't report it', yet now not even 2 years later it's an actual issue that people are being reported and thrown into the Gaol for if all the whining ERP advertisers are any indication.

This is just my opinion but compared to when I first joined FF to now (approx. 9-10 months) there have been a lot more 18+ ads in the PF, some using multiple people to spam the same ad over and over. I can't really speak for the landscape two years ago, but if it has been steadily increasing...I'm kind of not super shocked that some people started getting annoyed by it. Maybe back then no one really took it seriously because it wasn't to the point that it is at now with how popular opening these types of venues are?

Can't really say for sure unless someone who was around during that time weighs in.

[Saefinn]

This is just my opinion but compared to when I first joined FF to now (approx. 9-10 months) there have been a lot more 18+ ads in the PF, some using multiple people to spam the same ad over and over. I can't really speak for the landscape two years ago, but if it has been steadily increasing...I'm kind of not super shocked that some people started getting annoyed by it. Maybe back then no one really took it seriously because it wasn't to the point that it is at now with how popular opening these types of venues are?

Can't really say for sure unless someone who was around during that time weighs in.

From that thread, I think this comment maybe sums it up:

Wow, brothels really a thing in game? People pay for ERP?! Why back in my day ERP was free! Is there nothing sacred anymore? Is there nothing gold farmers won't do?

It's likely grown because people have found they can make gil off of it. So I wonder how much of it helps fuel RMT.

To be fair, I wasn't aware of how big some of this was until some of these threads. I tended to think this is minority stuff. So I expect the scale is probably a more recent phenomenon if people were surprised 2 years ago or thought of it as a small or a non issue.

[ReynTime]

It's likely grown because people have found they can make gil off of it. So I wonder how much of it helps fuel RMT.

To be fair, I wasn't aware of how big some of this was until some of these threads. I tended to think this is minority stuff. So I expect the scale is probably a more recent phenomenon if people were surprised 2 years ago or thought of it as a small or a non issue.

Maybe it's because I have 0 faith in people, but the only reason it got to this is because there are non RPers who legit wanted to take advantage of the same people they probably make fun of behind the screens, to make easy gil.

[LianaThorne]

Maybe it's because I have 0 faith in people, but the only reason it got to this is because there are non RPers who legit wanted to take advantage of the same people they probably make fun of behind the screens, to make easy gil.

This is my take just from hearing in my own time in game that people were planning to open venues strictly to mane gil off ERP. It's always sort of left a bad taste in my mouth. It's half profiting off a community you don't enjoy or partake in normally and half making it harder for legit RPers to separate from the ERP stigma that that's all they're after.

[SenorPatty]

This is just my opinion but compared to when I first joined FF to now (approx. 9-10 months) there have been a lot more 18+ ads in the PF, some using multiple people to spam the same ad over and over. I can't really speak for the landscape two years ago, but if it has been steadily increasing...I'm kind of not super shocked that some people started getting annoyed by it. Maybe back then no one really took it seriously because it wasn't to the point that it is at now with how popular opening these types of venues are?

Can't really say for sure unless someone who was around during that time weighs in.

That could be the main reason. When I joined the game 5 years ago, the erp stuff was more a joke people would mention to get a quick laugh and more often than not, Balmung was also tied to those erp jokes because it was considered the main RP server. Also, cross world hopping was not a thing yet either so even if erp existed, it was some really insular stuff. So basically, if someone wanted to erp for reals, you had to go look for it.

Five years later and I just get the feeling that some erpers subconsciously or not feel like they've been given some imaginary green light to be brazen and slap their services wherever they can: pf, shout chat, fellowships, you name it.

So there's that irony: had they kept quiet, none would've really been the wiser and complaint threads about them wouldn't be as numerous as they are now.