Idea for venues

[Ravenblade1979]

Let me stop you right there, because you seem to not realise something important: Its not the report that counts, its wether or not a GM considers the report warranted.

If someone report you, your PF-listing or your venue nothing is gonna happen to you - unless a GM reviews the case and comes to the conclusion that the report has merit, aka that you violated some portion of the ToS. As long as you stick to the rules of the game - which are obviously being interpreted by the GMs that they include that ERP and 18+ venues are a big no-no - you're fine, no matter how many reports are being filed against you.

So, unless your real worry is that the GMs are getting hit with an incredible hight amount of false reports, everything is well.

I'm not worried. Just my venue boss is smart and built up her venue alot so didn't want to jeopardize it. As for GM's able to make any determination. They really can't. I've seen countless and experienced countless times just how their judgment is. Recently been harassed last few days and reported it 3 times and nothings happened at all to the players doing it.

Other people have experienced this. Heck we have a known troll on aether who got away with calling people scammers (just long story) purposely then hold to that act to bait them into breaking tos to report them. He disappeared for a time then came back to do it. I had him figured out and talked to him about it. He kept to his thing then started gloating about never getting in trouble and I best watch it before I get another strike or ban. That legit told me right there a GM was protecting him. The last report I did I called it out and he stopped since.

I don't trust GM's to do the right thing these days. They seem to be more apt to punish the innocent then the guilty and save their friends butts at the same time. It was highly theorized that friends of that rogue gm were the ones who did the reports and he would push it through. I don't believe there was miscommunication at any level.

I also have another example of a GM abusing their position to save a fc from bans but I will leave that information for another time

[Vidu]

I'm not worried. Just my venue boss is smart and built up her venue alot so didn't want to jeopardize it. As for GM's able to make any determination. They really can't. I've seen countless and experienced countless times just how their judgment is. Recently been harassed last few days and reported it 3 times and nothings happened at all to the players doing it.

Other people have experienced this. Heck we have a known troll on aether who got away with calling people scammers (just long story) purposely then hold to that act to bait them into breaking tos to report them. He disappeared for a time then came back to do it. I had him figured out and talked to him about it. He kept to his thing then started gloating about never getting in trouble and I best watch it before I get another strike or ban. That legit told me right there a GM was protecting him. The last report I did I called it out and he stopped since.

I don't trust GM's to do the right thing these days. They seem to be more apt to punish the innocent then the guilty and save their friends butts at the same time. It was highly theorized that friends of that rogue gm were the ones who did the reports and he would push it through. I don't believe there was miscommunication at any level.

I also have another example of a GM abusing their position to save a fc from bans but I will leave that information for another time

I'm not sure what you mean by "they cant make any determination" - they have access to all chat-logs, so unless you think that you and your friends are just super clever in hidding any NSFW-stuff by using some kind of code, I'm pretty sure they're able to look at some text and determine wether its appropriate for a game rated 13+ (or 12+ - depending on where you live there can be more variations, I guess) or not.

As for the whole "I reported someone and nothing happend to them"-thing: You dont really have a way of being sure about that. GMs wont tell you - for the very understandable reason of protection of privacy. So unless you ask said person directly or observe them bragging about it, you have no way to know what actions were taken against them. And IF they tell you anything, you have no idea wether or not they're lying.

At the end of the day its really simply: Keep everything you do and specially say in game SFW - or, as someone put it so beautifully in a different thread: In a matter that wouldnt offend your (typical) grandmother. That goes even more if you're active in a public space, PF included. And that would still be the case even if RP got its own tab, something I dont disagree with. But if your friends venue has aspects to it that could be considered 18+ (even if you dont call them 18+), I'd rethink those aspects today rather than tomorrow.

[NealSnow]

I mean the whole things pointless honestly, trying to stop erp happening in an mmo is akin to asking for world peace, ain't gonna ever happen long as the games populated and online. Only way to truly stop it is go full scorched earth, and just shut the game down.

Sure you can crack down on the advertisements in PF... but the people running these joints will just adapt, literally nothing the devs or GM's do will stop it ever period. And honestly as far as "But won't someone think of the children!" goes with people, it should always and forevermore be the PARENTS job to monitor their children, ESRB rating be damned.

Parents should inform themselves of the possibilies of a game their child wants for those who would pay monthy for a an online game with chat functionality, not the devs, not the gm's, not the ESRB, the parents full stop. The moment a parent just shirks their duty and expects any outside force to parent for them... well they pretty much failed as a parent didn't they?

I'm so sick and tired of people always conveniently glossing over the parents in situations like this. If I had a kid, I'd monitor them from time to time in an mmo they play and if I saw them engaging willfully in erp, instead of yelling at the other person who likely was lied to of their age, or the game or the devs whatever it is! I'd punish my child first and foremost, because at 13 of age I'd let them know what it is, and if I catch em doing it they can say bye to playing it anymore.

And for anyone who says "Yeah okay but what if the person who was doing it with your child KNEW they were underage huh!?" Well then, I'd blame the PERSON not the game or devs, because I have common sense enough to know the risks of letting my child play the game, and would just report the player so GM's could look at the logs, and see that the person clearly knew and just didn't care.

And yeah I erp, but its not even the prudes who annoy me at this point, prudes gonna prude. It's the people always harping on about "oh the poor children" and never seem to discus where the parents are, why are they being neglectful, or bad parents. Cause once again its on the parents to actually parent, be involved. If you just let your child play anything without looking into it yourself and the possible risks, thats on YOU as a parent.

As an already grown adult, you should know the world is not, and never will be a hug box for children, or anyone for that matter. Stuff happens, but its on you as a parent to try and prevent as much of the preventable stuff as possible. Not let little timmy just do what he wants long as it keeps him out of your hair.

[Vidu]

I mean the whole things pointless honestly, trying to stop erp happening in an mmo is akin to asking for world peace, ain't gonna ever happen long as the games populated and online. Only way to truly stop it is go full scorched earth, and just shut the game down.

Sure you can crack down on the advertisements in PF... but the people running these joints will just adapt, literally nothing the devs or GM's do will stop it ever period. And honestly as far as "But won't someone think of the children!" goes with people, it should always and forevermore be the PARENTS job to monitor their children, ESRB rating be damned.

I dont believe anyone truely believes that they can eradicate ERP in this game completly. No one cares what happens in your private chat. No one even knows whats going on in your private chat - except you and the people you're having said chat with. As long as you keep that chat private, of course.
No one plans to "crack down on ERP", at least not in general. The thing they're cracking down - and rightfully so - are the advertisments in public spaces.

...and thats really all there is to this - not to different to the whole parser-thing, I'd say: Keep it to yourself and no one will care. Dont put it up in PF, dont use /shout (or any other chat thats public), dont put it anywhere where people who dont belong to your circle of like minded ERP-lovers can see it. Dont put it anywhere where it could hurt the reputation of SE or the game. Its really that simple.
You can ERP all you want - as long as you keep it private and between consenting adults.

[NealSnow]

I dont believe anyone truely believes that they can eradicate ERP in this game completly. No one cares what happens in your private chat. No one even knows whats going on in your private chat - except you and the people you're having said chat with. As long as you keep that chat private, of course.
No one plans to "crack down on ERP", at least not in general. The thing they're cracking down - and rightfully so - are the advertisments in public spaces.

...and thats really all there is to this - not to different to the whole parser-thing, I'd say: Keep it to yourself and no one will care. Dont put it up in PF, dont use /shout (or any other chat thats public), dont put it anywhere where people who dont belong to your circle of like minded ERP-lovers can see it. Dont put it anywhere where it could hurt the reputation of SE or the game. Its really that simple.
You can ERP all you want - as long as you keep it private and between consenting adults.

I've seen people who are against it at all, not saying this thread itself but I've seen it ingame and on other form posts. Those are the ones I mean by prudes like you'd think a bunch of nuns played the game how some people react to the very existence of it lol.

But yeah and even then I can't stress enough its mostly the whole blame everyone but the parent for not parenting or monitoring their child. Reminds me of whenever a parent themselves is like "Violent games are bad why can my son see this!?" when they likely bought em the game... but did not care to look what kinda game it was...

[Awha]

I mean the whole things pointless honestly, trying to stop erp happening in an mmo is akin to asking for world peace, ain't gonna ever happen long as the games populated and online. Only way to truly stop it is go full scorched earth, and just shut the game down.

Sure you can crack down on the advertisements in PF... but the people running these joints will just adapt, literally nothing the devs or GM's do will stop it ever period. And honestly as far as "But won't someone think of the children!" goes with people, it should always and forevermore be the PARENTS job to monitor their children, ESRB rating be damned.

Parents should inform themselves of the possibilies of a game their child wants for those who would pay monthy for a an online game with chat functionality, not the devs, not the gm's, not the ESRB, the parents full stop. The moment a parent just shirks their duty and expects any outside force to parent for them... well they pretty much failed as a parent didn't they?

I'm so sick and tired of people always conveniently glossing over the parents in situations like this. If I had a kid, I'd monitor them from time to time in an mmo they play and if I saw them engaging willfully in erp, instead of yelling at the other person who likely was lied to of their age, or the game or the devs whatever it is! I'd punish my child first and foremost, because at 13 of age I'd let them know what it is, and if I catch em doing it they can say bye to playing it anymore.

And for anyone who says "Yeah okay but what if the person who was doing it with your child KNEW they were underage huh!?" Well then, I'd blame the PERSON not the game or devs, because I have common sense enough to know the risks of letting my child play the game, and would just report the player so GM's could look at the logs, and see that the person clearly knew and just didn't care.

And yeah I erp, but its not even the prudes who annoy me at this point, prudes gonna prude. It's the people always harping on about "oh the poor children" and never seem to discus where the parents are, why are they being neglectful, or bad parents. Cause once again its on the parents to actually parent, be involved. If you just let your child play anything without looking into it yourself and the possible risks, thats on YOU as a parent.

As an already grown adult, you should know the world is not, and never will be a hug box for children, or anyone for that matter. Stuff happens, but its on you as a parent to try and prevent as much of the preventable stuff as possible. Not let little timmy just do what he wants long as it keeps him out of your hair.

So I am not crazy here I thought I was the only one who thought like this.