Predictions for job(s) in the next expansion?

[Seraphor]

Evidence can be weak or strong.
If it were solid proof... it would be called "proof".
But if something is too weak then I'd struggle to call it 'evidence' rather than 'indication'.

[sdlister]

A guess about what Yoshida's shirt hints at is not evidence. Nor is a guess about the nature of Zenos's new weapon evidence. Both are speculation.

A scythe on two out of three of Yoshida's shirts is evidence of the new job potentially using a scythe.

They were founded by a guy named after a Greek Death God; Hades was the God of the Underworld and Ruler of the Dead so he is a death god the same way Charon the Ferryman who carried souls across the river Styx was a death god.

Hades is not a god of death, and neither is Charon. This is nonsense. Death is a process; an event that occurs, and that is what Thanatos presides over. Hades is the god of the underworld and the dead that reside in it. Charon is a ferryman for Hades. They are related to death, but they are not gods of death.

...I wouldn't discount the possibility it will happen a fourth time.

This is an incredible stretch.

I don't think you thought this statement through because you were the one arguing in your last two posts that Sice's hairstyle being added to the Golden Saucer was proof the the new melee class would be a scythe wielder.

Yes, Sice's hairstyle--the hairstyle of a character whose weapon and role in her game lines up with what's on the shirts. I thought it through.

[sdlister]

Then our hints are also evidences.

I never said they weren't. They're just incredibly weak evidence.

[Rymi64]

Honestly it would seem more likely for a death themed job to be based on Azem rather than hades considering Azem is the shepherd to the stars in the dark which is closer to the Grim reaper, Them being a shepherd of souls. Plus Azem traveled the world and has a more likely chance to have had some of their fighting style be spread across the world like how Azim and Azeyma seem to have been based on azem's legacy.

[Karl0217]

A scythe on two out of three of Yoshida's shirts is evidence of the new job potentially using a scythe.

You are trying to use a theory about what the shirts are hints of to prove itself. I asked you before about the very real possibility that the shirt hints reference a class with death themed armor and death themed abilities instead of a scythe and didn't get answer.

But if you really want to go down this route all three shirts feature a Grim Reaper, scythe or no scythe, and the biggest reference to the word Reaper in game is the Garlean Army's war mech. Three shirt hints is better than two ergo it is the stronger theory according to your own statement here.

Hades is not a god of death, and neither is Charon. This is nonsense.

• HAIDES (Hades) was the king of the underworld and god of the dead. He presided over funeral rites and defended the right of the dead to due burial. Haides was also the god of the hidden wealth of the earth, from the fertile soil with nourished the seed-grain, to the mined wealth of gold, silver and other metals.
  
• What did Hades rule over? Hades ruled over the God of the Dead, the Underworld, the Wealth and the Darkness.
  
• In Greek mythology, Hades is both the land of the dead and the god who rules there. Hades the god (who the Greeks also called Pluto) is the brother of Zeus and Poseidon, who rule the skies and the seas.

I can pull some more reference material if you really want to argue this point.

This is an incredible stretch.

One of your key arguments is that Zenos is going to be a new class introduced in a expansion for a second time after he was a Samurai in Stormblood. So I wouldn't be calling arguments based on patterns related to Zenos a stretch if I were you.

Yes, Sice's hairstyle--the hairstyle of a character whose weapon and role in her game lines up with what's on the shirts. I thought it through.

A hairstyle that got added to the game in 2017 for a seasonal event in the Golden Saucer. It has been in the game for 5 years now.

And according to the in-game lore in Final Fantasy Type-0 Sice represents the Power of Tenacity; a power that is tied to tanks in FFXIV, not DPS. Sice wields scythe, a weapon wielded by Dark Knights in XI, and parts of her toolkit overlaps with the toolkit of Dark Knights in other games. For example, her Dark Nebula ability is used by Dark Knights in Bravely Default. She seems more like that game's version of a Dark Knight more then anything else.

[Seraphor]

A shirt with just a Grim Reaper and no visible scythe could still be a hint towards a scythe wielding job, because the Grim Reaper is iconic for wielding a scythe.

Hades, Charon, Thanatos, Death, yada yada yada. Stop showing off guys, you're not getting anywhere with that.

They are clearly teasing Zenos' new weapon, it's obvious that it's going to be the same weapon the new job uses. They couldn't have made it more obvious.

A hairstyle isn't a hint. They've been saying they're going to add the Rainmaker back in to the game for a long time, it's purely coincidence. But Sice is a good example of a scythe wielding character in the franchise if that's where they're going with it. So if the weapon is a Scythe, then the hairstyle is a happy accident.

The "Power of Tenacity" in Type-0 has precisely nothing to do with the Tenacity stat in FFXIV. Sice may well be an interpretation of a Dark Knight in Type-0, but there are only so many weapons they could use for the new maiming job. As I mentioned on the last page. I reckon the possibilities are Scythe, Hammer or Dual Swords (that likely combine, like Judge Gabranth/Zidane). If they are to use a Scythe, they have limited options from which to draw inspiration from, Sice is at the forefront of those options. Moreover, players have been whining about DRK being a tank and not a DPS since it's introduction to the game, so maybe this would be a way of fulfilling those wishes.

[sdlister]

You are trying to use a theory about what the shirts are hints of to prove itself.

I have no idea what this means. I feel like my logic was pretty direct.

I asked you before about the very real possibility that the shirt hints reference a class with death themed armor and death themed abilities instead of a scythe and didn't get answer.

Because it wasn't relevant to your original idea. I'm only discussing the possibility of a Garlean job.

But if you really want to go down this route all three shirts feature a Grim Reaper, scythe or no scythe, and the biggest reference to the word Reaper in game is the Garlean Army's war mech. Three shirt hints is better than two ergo it is the stronger theory according to your own statement here.

This is ridiculous logic, but I'll play along: Sice is the "grim reaper" in her game and is considered the goth/punk archetype. So, not only do all three of the shirts reference Sice, but two of the shirts additionally (to my knowledge, I'm not sure about the third) are of punk and death metal bands, respectively--this creates not just three references, but five to support the Sice theory.

I can pull some more reference material if you really want to argue this point.

By all means--you're only arguing against yourself. Being a god of the dead is not equivalent to being a god of death. I explained the difference in my last post.

One of your key arguments is that Zenos is going to be a new class introduced in a expansion for a second time after he was a Samurai in Stormblood. So I wouldn't be calling arguments based on patterns related to Zenos a stretch if I were you.

His new weapon for Endwalker has deliberately been concealed because we're supposed to expect that the new job will use the same weapon, just as it was in Stormblood. The idea that the three eastern jobs we have are an indication that the next job will be from Garlemald because Zenos was in both places is nowhere near equivalent and is a stretch by comparison.

A hairstyle that got added to the game in 2017 for a seasonal event in the Golden Saucer. It has been in the game for 5 years now.

And was re-added as a permanent purchase months before 6.0 and the new job, which has been heavily hinted at to be based on Sice, are launched. I don't know why you're bringing this up again.

And according to the in-game lore in Final Fantasy Type-0 Sice represents the Power of Tenacity; a power that is tied to tanks in FFXIV, not DPS. Sice wields scythe, a weapon wielded by Dark Knights in XI, and parts of her toolkit overlaps with the toolkit of Dark Knights in other games. For example, her Dark Nebula ability is used by Dark Knights in Bravely Default. She seems more like that game's version of a Dark Knight more then anything else.

Dark Knights only used scythes in XI. Sharing a single move with Dark Knights in an entirely different series doesn't rule out her candidacy. I'm not going to say that the job will be based strictly on her and her moveset, but she does seem like the most likely choice for inspiration given her grim reaper motif.

[sdlister]

Hades, Charon, Thanatos, Death, yada yada yada. Stop showing off guys, you're not getting anywhere with that.

You're probably right.

A hairstyle isn't a hint. They've been saying they're going to add the Rainmaker back in to the game for a long time, it's purely coincidence. But Sice is a good example of a scythe wielding character in the franchise if that's where they're going with it. So if the weapon is a Scythe, then the hairstyle is a happy accident.

I don't know how you can say this with confidence. The timing couldn't be more convenient, regardless of how long they've planned to add it back. It's not as though their solution was intensive--it was added to a vendor and left at that. They could have done that anytime they wanted. The fact that it was only officially discussed right about when the new jobs for an expansion are decided upon and released months before the expansion itself is extremely conspicuous.

[Kalaam]

Guys tone it down, you are no fun.

[Karl0217]

Because it wasn't relevant to your original idea. I'm only discussing the possibility of a Garlean job.

Considering how I am using Gaius firing off a new ability called Yellow Death in cutscene along with fact that Gaius had a skull faced helmet as supporting evidence I would say that the question whither a class with death themed armor and death themed abilities instead of a scythe is a real possibility is very relevant.

This is ridiculous logic, but I'll play along

You do realize that was the same logic you are using for the shirts meaning scythes applied to the Reaper mechs right? I thought the "But if you really want to go down this route" made that clear in addition to the fact I did not agree with it.

By all means--you're only arguing against yourself. Being a god of the dead is not equivalent to being a god of death.

You are splitting hairs here. Either way you end up with a god connected to concept of death.