"Play XIV if(cont)" and"you have a responsibility to" are not statements that coexist

[EirolOcarrol]

Oh, so that's what this thread is about? Yeah, for real. Apparently, playing well is heresy according to some. Heck, not even "well", how about playing at an "acceptable" level.

I don't think it's a heresy to anyone. There's a reason that they've banned some streamers using parsers for calling out other people and being toxic.

Being able to clear dungeons ought to be enough. But this forum already has many people who immediately shoot down ideas because "this might ruin the balance and nobody wants to have someone in their party with slightly less job efficiency". That degree of hyperfocus on efficiency, any everything outside of it being limited to limit jobs, seems obsessive. Every job has always been able to clear all dungeons. And a hyperfocus on efficiency, efficiency, efficiency, at the cost of anything that might bring diversity to play. Seems like an unhealthy fixation. Not to mention people not being accommodating to new players. You don't have to be a sprout to be new. People who rushed through the MSQ are still sprouts in a sense, even if the game doesn't call them sprouts.

There are people out there who will downright tell people that they don't deserve to play Final Fantasy XIV because of a mistake they made. And that's not healthy for any game, let alone a Final Fantasy game.

[Brightamethyst]

Being able to clear dungeons ought to be enough. But this forum already has many people who immediately shoot down ideas because "this might ruin the balance and nobody wants to have someone in their party with slightly less job efficiency". That degree of hyperfocus on efficiency, any everything outside of it being limited to limit jobs, seems obsessive. Every job has always been able to clear all dungeons. And a hyperfocus on efficiency, efficiency, efficiency, at the cost of anything that might bring diversity to play. Seems like an unhealthy fixation.

There are different ways of measuring success. Yes, clearing a dungeon is an objective, true/false statement, but it's not the only part of the equation. No one complains about people being sub-optimal. They complain about people being bad. There's a big difference. Failing a new mechanic a few times is fine, and completely understandable. Never getting better at said mechanic even after learning how it works is poor play (in normal content. I'm not talking about things like savage where mechanics are intentionally hard even when you do understand them.).

If a tank wants to take it slow, or someone new to a job is doing low DPS, or we wipe because a sprout doesn't understand mechanics, or whatever, cool. It's part of the normal experience. It may turn a 20 minute dungeon into a 30 minute dungeon but that's within the standard deviation and few people will complain about it. If that 20 minute dungeon turns into a 45 minute dungeon though? Even if you clear in the end something was objectively wrong.

[NanaWiloh]

I don't think it's a heresy to anyone. There's a reason that they've banned some streamers using parsers for calling out other people and being toxic.

Being able to clear dungeons ought to be enough. But this forum already has many people who immediately shoot down ideas because "this might ruin the balance and nobody wants to have someone in their party with slightly less job efficiency". That degree of hyperfocus on efficiency, any everything outside of it being limited to limit jobs, seems obsessive. Every job has always been able to clear all dungeons. And a hyperfocus on efficiency, efficiency, efficiency, at the cost of anything that might bring diversity to play. Seems like an unhealthy fixation. Not to mention people not being accommodating to new players. You don't have to be a sprout to be new. People who rushed through the MSQ are still sprouts in a sense, even if the game doesn't call them sprouts.

There are people out there who will downright tell people that they don't deserve to play Final Fantasy XIV because of a mistake they made. And that's not healthy for any game, let alone a Final Fantasy game.

I play to the best of my ability, I dont mind people who parse. But as someone who does not do savage or Ultimate my performance in my mind is my own business. I have hidden my logs ON THE SITE that shall not be mentioned for this reason; and the fact that someone chose to jump on my tail here on the forum about not parsing high. Even worse said player was hiding behind an alt!!! Which explains my signature :P If you are hiding your logs or hiding behind an alt, then you got no business critizing other players about their logs.

Just my two cents on that matter

[Awha]

I don't think it's a heresy to anyone. There's a reason that they've banned some streamers using parsers for calling out other people and being toxic.

Being able to clear dungeons ought to be enough. But this forum already has many people who immediately shoot down ideas because "this might ruin the balance and nobody wants to have someone in their party with slightly less job efficiency". That degree of hyperfocus on efficiency, any everything outside of it being limited to limit jobs, seems obsessive. Every job has always been able to clear all dungeons. And a hyperfocus on efficiency, efficiency, efficiency, at the cost of anything that might bring diversity to play. Seems like an unhealthy fixation. Not to mention people not being accommodating to new players. You don't have to be a sprout to be new. People who rushed through the MSQ are still sprouts in a sense, even if the game doesn't call them sprouts.

There are people out there who will downright tell people that they don't deserve to play Final Fantasy XIV because of a mistake they made. And that's not healthy for any game, let alone a Final Fantasy game.

So more or less you are saying assholes will be assholes? That has nothing to do with FFXIV in general that is just a product of some people just not being nice.

This may be an RPG but it is an MMO first, which means you are going to run into other people, and people are under no obligation to like one another. Run into an asshole ignore them and move on. Cause end of the day they do not care about your feelings or anything you are going through, so you are wasting your time letting what they say get to you. To them you are irrelevant, and tbh they should also be irrelevant to you.