just reminding SE they added two new races last expansion ...

[spf1200]

The reason you can’t equate the two is because the only thing they share is that they are both something that Yoship said they would do and then didn’t deliver on.

However, it’s not as if all of the other classes are getting skill glams and egis are still being ignored. At the end of the day that IS what SMNs are asking for - skill glams. But nobody else gets this, so what you’re asking for is special treatment. You still get weapons and gear like everyone else.

Viera and Hrothgar aren’t asking for special treatment. We are asking to get anything at all, while the other races get showered every patch with cosmetics (whether you personally like them or not) and gear we can’t use. It feels bad to be told you will get something, and then not get it because apparently they don’t have time, only to have everyone else around you get it in spades. For years. Also, Hroth still have to pay to change their hair which is something no other race has to do, and the devs still haven’t fixed that either. So yeah, it’s a bit different than egis. I do think they should still make good on their promise to SMN because they said they’d do it, but it’s not the same situation that viera and hrothgar are in at all.

But you are asking for special treatment. You are asking the dev team to take resources away from other projects so that you can have more hair styles. You guys keep saying that the dev team should do it because it was promised, I was (badly) trying to make the point that Egis were also promised and never delivered on, so I don't understand why we need new threads everytime a new hair style comes out or why some of you are acting like this problem is so much more important than so many of the other issues in the game right now

[LaylaTsarra]

Just give Viera a super desirable hairstyle and never give it to any other race ever."

I think all we're really been promised is more race specific hairstyles. They have never promised any of the others to my knowledge.

[BunniEclair]

You mean to tell me if Viera numbers didn't dwindle over time, that they wouldn't be questioning why? I don't think so. They would look for reasons to entice people to use the race, as well as looking at reasons for the dwindling population, probably.

The numbers have already dwindled considerably. What has it gotten us? Nothing from SE, and lots of “well the new races are such a minuscule part of the population they aren’t a priority” from everyone else. And again, why exactly do they need to entice players to play a race if they are still subbed and they buy fantasias when they aren’t happy?

[wereotter]

1) Guess you're going to have to rage. Every new hairstyle hasn't worked on the two new races, and we have no reason to expect that these will.

2) "It's been two years!" while highlanders have been asking for eyebrows for eight, so..... do with that information what you will.

[Caitsithhh]

::Bathed in tears:: limited being the keypoint and not realizing the models are completely different is a personal oversight.

[Kaurhz]

The numbers have already dwindled considerably. What has it gotten us? Nothing from SE, and lots of “well the new races are such a minuscule part of the population they aren’t a priority” from everyone else. And again, why exactly do they need to entice players to play a race if they are still subbed and they buy fantasias when they aren’t happy?

They need to spend an exorbitant amount of time adjusting every gear, and glamour asset for your race and gender each time they incorporate something new. So again, they would at least give the due diligence to it to at least try to understand why people aren't playing that race, and what the issues are behind it. From their point of view, if they can fix that, they'll then entice people towards playing Viera. Why they haven't done so already, or why they haven' upheld their promise, perhaps a technical limitation of how the race is designed, and maybe if they decide to incorporate a male counterpart it'll allow them to solve it in one fell swoop.

[Awha]

You mean to tell me if Viera numbers didn't dwindle over time, that they wouldn't be questioning why? I don't think so. They would look for reasons to entice people to use the race, as well as looking at reasons for the dwindling population, probably.

Tbh I doubt they care much for the total population. Overall I think they would be happier if people switch away a curiosity then switch back after the novelty has worn off.

Though back to the topic someone else brought up regarding voting with your wallet that really does not fly in a subscription based game. Since generally people may be displeased about a certain aspect but overall they are happy with the product. Even if numbers do dip if people come back for patches regularly from SE PoV it probably is still a decent ROI in terms of what they put in and what they get out.

In the end I bet most their budget goes towards marketing since in the eyes of SE they have majority of their recurring players by the balls so to speak. We talk a big game but we more often then not come back for story patches since we wre invested. That is why I honestly swear when they add the hairstyles for them it will be via the mogstation. Cause why not?

[Coletergeist]

Do make one big thread about it, not "a few more threads", because that's what the devs have said will get through to them.

Exactly this. ^

This has been mentioned a handful of times before. If there's like 10 threads over this, they're not really gonna look at them.

If you're serious about this, then go to one if the other older threads already discussing this issue.

Like complain all you want; have at it. Just do so in an already established thread.

[lalin]

Why are races more important than Egis? In theory Egis effect everyone since everyone can use them while races only effect a smallish part of the community.

Either way this has gotten way off topic

they are not more important , as someone who loves playing summoner , it's just wrong comparing two completely different things . and as you said the egi glamour affect all of us while this issue affect only two races which is more unfair , everyone get to use these new hairstyles while we don't .. i am not even going to talk about the old mogstation hairstyles that we bought with real money because we knew the limitations yes .. but it's about them being able to keep adding more and more and more new hairstyles every patch and them all not working on these two races when we were promised they will give us something ?
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[Kaurhz]

Tbh I doubt they care much for the total population. Overall I think they would be happier if people switch away a curiosity then switch back after the novelty has worn off.

Though back to the topic someone else brought up regarding voting with your wallet that really does not fly in a subscription based game. Since generally people may be displeased about a certain aspect but overall they are happy with the product. Even if numbers do dip if people come back for patches regularly from SE PoV it probably is still a decent ROI in terms of what they put in and what they get out.

In the end I bet most their budget goes towards marketing since in the eyes of SE they have majority of their recurring players by the balls so to speak. We talk a big game but we more often then not come back for story patches since we wre invested. That is why I honestly swear when they add the hairstyles for them it will be via the mogstation. Cause why not?

I mean voting with wallet expressly on subscription is a poor idea in itself, simply because the number of people that would unsub from this very specific issue, or many issues in the game probably would barely dent their subscription numbers. Not to mention as has typically been the case where they only contradict their own actions and then later sub for the subsequent patch anyway. Admittedly, on this account, I had a fairly bad take, but I do stand by the idea if numbers were to dwindle on a specific race they would look at reasons for that dwindle- and how best to address. Not that I necessarily condone the idea of voting with wallet, versus what happens as a result of dwindling numbers.

People are just hyperbolic is all, so I'm pretty much in agreement here. That being said, I don't think they will add them to the Mogstation as it will leave a bad taste in their mouth; the players'. I want to at least try to believe their inaction or relative silence on the matter has been down to oversights and technical limitations on their part. I want to at least be optimistic and say they'd be looking at adding new hairstyles in 6.0, with perhaps the male counterpart of Viera, or female of Hrothgar. But I'm also probably wrong.

Either way, I'm sympathetic to people with how they've handled these races. But I am none the sympathic to all the threads I see.