just reminding SE they added two new races last expansion ...

[Yencat]

When were we promised this? Not trolling, btw, just curious as I don’t remember it

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...808-29-2019%29

Here you go

[Seoulstar]

Sorry but trying to equate egi glamours with what is happening to Viera and Horthgar with respect to racial additions is a weak parallel in my view and deserves to be called out for what it is. And there is certainly no reason to call people selfish for having a different point of view than theirs.

It is still telling people that their complaint isn't worthy enough to talk about. Despite this also was something that was promised long before the viera race was even implemented into the game. I am not sure why everyone must compare everything as if one is worthy to complain and the other should shut up about their complaints. This goes for both sides of the argument. Both have valid complaints, it serves no purpose to bicker amongst yourselves as if who has more of a right to complain.

[BunniEclair]

Why are races more important than Egis? In theory Egis effect everyone since everyone can use them while races only effect a smallish part of the community.

Either way this has gotten way off topic

The reason you can’t equate the two is because the only thing they share is that they are both something that Yoship said they would do and then didn’t deliver on.

However, it’s not as if all of the other classes are getting skill glams and egis are still being ignored. At the end of the day that IS what SMNs are asking for - skill glams. But nobody else gets this, so what you’re asking for is special treatment. You still get weapons and gear like everyone else.

Viera and Hrothgar aren’t asking for special treatment. We are asking to get anything at all, while the other races get showered every patch with cosmetics (whether you personally like them or not) and gear we can’t use. It feels bad to be told you will get something, and then not get it because apparently they don’t have time, only to have everyone else around you get it in spades. For years. Also, Hroth still have to pay to change their hair which is something no other race has to do, and the devs still haven’t fixed that either. So yeah, it’s a bit different than egis. I do think they should still make good on their promise to SMN because they said they’d do it, but it’s not the same situation that viera and hrothgar are in at all.

[LaylaTsarra]

It is still telling people that their complaint isn't worthy enough to talk about.

They can certainly create their own thread about it but sorry it doesn't relate to the state of affairs that Viera and Hrothgar are currently experiencing. They can certainly complain but please trying to use that as a means of trying to shut off the complaints in this thread since they didn't get what they were promised is weak at best.

The reason you can’t equate the two is because the only thing they share is that they are both something that Yoship said they would do and then didn’t deliver on.

However, it’s not as if all of the other classes are getting skill glams and egis are still being ignored. At the end of the day that IS what SMNs are asking for - skill glams. But nobody else gets this, so what you’re asking for is special treatment. You still get weapons and gear like everyone else.

Viera and Hrothgar aren’t asking for special treatment. We are asking to get anything at all, while the other races get showered every patch with cosmetics (whether you personally like them or not) and gear we can’t use. It feels bad to be told you will get something, and then not get it because apparently they don’t have time, only to have everyone else around you get it in spades. For years. Also, Hroth still have to pay to change their hair which is something no other race has to do, and the devs still haven’t fixed that either. So yeah, it’s a bit different than egis. I do think they should still make good on their promise to SMN because they said they’d do it, but it’s not the same situation that viera and hrothgar are in at all.

Thank you.

[Bright-Flower]

For EGIs I can understand not getting new egi models but they could AT LEAST have someone throw together a proper UI for handling egi glamours rather than having uses use TEXT COMMANDS to swap between them.

[Seoulstar]

They can certainly complain but please trying to use that as a means of trying to shut off the complaints in this thread since they didn't get what they were promised is weak at best.

Hence why I said this goes for both sides...both side are guilty of this behavior.

[LianaThorne]

Just gonna regurgitate what I said in another thread on this topic:

- Band together with everyone who is up in arms over this under one thread so it can continue to grow and get the attention of staff. Breaking it up into multiple threads doesnt help much since we already know that they care more about threads with hundreds of pages.

- Affect their profits in a way that they have to notice and are forced to acknowledge that this is an issue that is affecting their finances.

- Reach out to media and get the story more public in a way that they have to notice and are forced to acknowledge that this is an issue affecting their reputation.


Bottom line:
If they're not talking about it or viewing it as an issue, do more about it to get their attention. Clearly the way it has been done so far isn't working.

[SaberMaxwell]

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Paragraphs 1 and partially 2: Those are arguments I have never made. Have I posted something to give you the impression I value thousands of threads on the same topic? Yes, scattershot threads don't work but you're not exactly helping anything by preaching to the choir in one of those scattershot threads. Clearly there is a culture that influences people's decisions to make these repeat threads instead of necroing, but that won't be addressed by an equally scatter shot response to it.

Par 2 pt2: You're right, being new to the discussion doesn't necessitate a new thread. I'm not averse to necroing either. But for the person who googles asking why viera have no new hairstyles, and finds this thread, they're gonna see a lot of unhelpful stuff because of the metacommentary on forum etiquette. And yes if there were megathreads that wouldn't be a problem, but that's not a problem that gets solved by entering every repeat thread with a conversation about forum etiquette.

In any case, we only agree about forum etiquette here. None of it relates back to my original comment to you though, none of it is an interesting discussion to have because it's been had so many times now and will continue to be had as pointlessly and scatter shot as the threads they appear in, so going back to my original point...

Final paragraph: So...it's tit for tat? Erecting a strawman isn't really a good answer to a strawman imo. That's a good way to kill a discussion through polarizing people against each other. But anyway, I've said my piece, and you seem more interested in talking about the issue of scatter shot threads anyway so I'll get out of your hair and back to lurking. Have an excellent day.

[Violet_Galaxy]

HELLO yoshida ... i hope you still remember you added two freakin races last expansion ..they are called Viera and Hrothgar incase you forgot ...

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AND THESE BETTER BE WORKING ON MY VIERA ..


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thanks

Just give it up and buy a fantasia already. SE got you, they got me, they got everybody. You'll feel better.

[BunniEclair]

Just gonna regurgitate what I said in another thread on this topic:

- Band together with everyone who is up in arms over this under one thread so it can continue to grow and get the attention of staff. Breaking it up into multiple threads doesnt help much since we already know that they care more about threads with hundreds of pages.

- Affect their profits in a way that they have to notice and are forced to acknowledge that this is an issue that is affecting their finances.

- Reach out to media and get the story more public in a way that they have to notice and are forced to acknowledge that this is an issue affecting their reputation.


Bottom line:
If they're not talking about it or viewing it as an issue, do more about it to get their attention. Clearly the way it has been done so far isn't working.

We’ve at least taken your advice on the first part- there is now a megathread (started after this one).

The profits are a little harder to manage because short of not subbing or buying the cosmetics that have hair attached, there’s not really anything we can do. With both of those options, there’s no way for them to know the reason behind the decision. Subs are impacted by tons of things. And not buying cosmetics with hair attached could be chalked up to just not liking it, and that doesn’t account for many of us who already bought those sets before ShB. The only thing that is directly related to race that they could really account for is fantasia sales. Unfortunately in this case, not buying a fantasia indicates we are happy with the product, and buying a fantasia rewards SE for being unhappy with the product.

You have some good and productive ideas. The media one in particular is something I hadn’t considered before I saw you mention it in the last thread. Just wanted to say I appreciate it since I missed the chance to do so last time. Hopefully the megathread is a good start. And honestly I’m hoping with the expansion looming and fanfest around the corner that we won’t have to be upset about it for too much longer either way. But I thought that before every patch in ShB too, and we all know how that has turned out, lol.