Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[AnotherPerson]

I've noticed when I'm healing that (too often) I tend to be the only healer hard casting Raise if more than one person is down. If both of us have already used Swiftcast to rez someone previously, I hard cast... yet I've seen fellow healers wait until Swiftcast is off CD to rez someone. For goodness sake, Swiftcast is a 60 second CD! It's quicker to just hard cast Raise! Wait for a lul in the aoe, then cast it! The sooner the dps/whoever is off the floor, the better!

How many times are people dying that you need to hard raise alot? People drop on raise priority if they die - and unless you're a WHM with Thin Air, raises are MP expensive. Raising a person with a Brink of Death Debuff means they already spent 4800 MP within the last minute or so, and will eat another 2400 MP to get up again (7200 MP). That's pretty much 3/4 of a healer's MP bar. Incidentally, people have to be wary on mechanics - hard casting raise and not finishing the raise meant you just wasted time doing nothing while Glare/Broil/Malefics/GCD heals allow the healer to slidecast and take less time to finish if you have to move within the 8 seconds to dodge mechanics.

If you tend to raise the other party members regardless of swiftcast being available often, then the other healer may assume you're going to hardcast raise anyway. There's no point in raising the same person at that point since it'll be a waste of time for the healers and a waste of extra MP spent.

[ItMe]

I've noticed when I'm healing that (too often) I tend to be the only healer hard casting Raise if more than one person is down. If both of us have already used Swiftcast to rez someone previously, I hard cast... yet I've seen fellow healers wait until Swiftcast is off CD to rez someone. For goodness sake, Swiftcast is a 60 second CD! It's quicker to just hard cast Raise! Wait for a lul in the aoe, then cast it! The sooner the dps/whoever is off the floor, the better!

Sometimes... if the other healer doesn't have a raise macro letting me know who they're hard casting rez on, I'm not gonna hard rez too in case we target the same person.
Also, if one healer is locked down with that lengthy cast I generally like to ensure one of us is available to heal the party.
Maybe your co-healer had thoughts like this?

[Mirhd]

As I've already stated, we're talking more than one person down. Are the rest of you (considering some of your posts in this thread) suddenly now claiming you haven't had crazy runs where people are dying left and right, requiring multiple rezes? Really? Further, it's amusing that some of you seem to be supporting a co-healer being lazy, which again, is contradicting what I've read from you before. There is no excuse for the other healer to wait for a full Swiftcast CD while more than one person is down, when they see me hard casting. Their mana isn't somehow more valuable than mine, and that green dps ain't downing the boss if, say, 4 dps are down, chief... not unless said boss is nearly dead, anyway.

If you've got multiple weakness stacks on multiple people, it's better to just wipe it and restart at that point. Again, thought this was obvious, but apparently not.

Sometimes... if the other healer doesn't have a raise macro letting me know who they're hard casting rez on, I'm not gonna hard rez too in case we target the same person.
Also, if one healer is locked down with that lengthy cast I generally like to ensure one of us is available to heal the party.
Maybe your co-healer had thoughts like this?

This, at least, is a fair post. Few things:

If I think damage is imminent, I use the appropriate CD or what have you depending on the healing class I'm playing before I even bother hard casting, or I'll wait the few seconds it takes the boss to do whatever, heal, then start. If Swiftcast is nearly off CD by that point, I'll wait the few extra seconds and use it. Regarding rez macros, I've found it's a crap shoot either way regardless of Swiftcast - sometimes my co-healer and I rez the same person because by the time that macro text even appears, well, we've already pressed our buttons. To sort of combat that, I target the last person on the party list, resulting in us rezzing different targets often enough for me to continue doing it this way.

[IDontPetLalas]

As I've already stated, we're talking more than one person down. Are the rest of you (considering some of your posts in this thread) suddenly now claiming you haven't had crazy runs where people are dying left and right, requiring multiple rezes? Really? Further, it's amusing that some of you seem to be supporting a co-healer being lazy, which again, is contradicting what I've read from you before. There is no excuse for the other healer to wait for a full Swiftcast CD while more than one person is down, when they see me hard casting. Their mana isn't somehow more valuable than mine, and that green dps ain't downing the boss if, say, 4 dps are down, chief... not unless said boss is nearly dead, anyway.

If you've got multiple weakness stacks on multiple people, it's better to just wipe it and restart at that point. Again, thought this was obvious, but apparently not.



This, at least, is a fair post. Few things:

If I think damage is imminent, I use the appropriate CD or what have you depending on the healing class I'm playing before I even bother hard casting, or I'll wait the few seconds it takes the boss to do whatever, heal, then start. If Swiftcast is nearly off CD by that point, I'll wait the few extra seconds and use it. Regarding rez macros, I've found it's a crap shoot either way regardless of Swiftcast - sometimes my co-healer and I rez the same person because by the time that macro text even appears, well, we've already pressed our buttons. To sort of combat that, I target the last person on the party list, resulting in us rezzing different targets often enough for me to continue doing it this way.

There could be any number of reasons why your co-healer won't hard -cast and none of them are due to laziness.

You're talking about some "crazy run" with people dropping left and right, Well , if that's due to people not knowing the mechanics- if one of those people is your co-healer, then the chances are that they won't be able to hard-cast a heal very easily because they need to watch out for mechanics. I certainly wouldn't - I would however prioritize my co-healer and any red mage who could help with raises.

That's just one scenario, I'm sure I could think of others, and people have already provided some.

[Awha]

Personally when I am healing I use the tool that should not be mentioned or I am just being lazy to determine if I want to raise them of not.

[Coletergeist]

Great Gubal Library; I myself was tank as Gunbreaker, my wife was red mage, and the two others were white mage and dragoon.

First off, we wiped 7x. Healer didn't even know what regens were, and I was the only one receiving heals from time to time (like every so often); my dps fellas? Nope, nodda, they don't get any healing today apparently. I ended up having to heal at least my wife using Aurora just because through her I noticed that her and the other dps weren't getting any heals since I was in tank mode and paying attention to my own shid.

Never was able to even finish the dung; other dps must've got frustrated and just left, leaving me and my wife with this troublesome healer...so we ended up bailing too. Sorry to the WHM I suppose, but man.

As just a nice cherry on top, they didn't know any mechs, even when told. I eventually asked if anyone had questions, but nope. I ended up having to tank the demon tome by myself for the entire fight (three times) because we wiped 3x at that part alone.

Some part of me thinks they might've been a troll; there's no way at that level there's that much incompetence and not know how to properly play a job by that point to such an awful extent.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

As I've already stated, we're talking more than one person down. Are the rest of you (considering some of your posts in this thread) suddenly now claiming you haven't had crazy runs where people are dying left and right, requiring multiple rezes? Really?

If more than one DPS is down, you have two Swiftcasts to burn through - provided both healers don't waste it on the same person. From there, one healer is capable of hard-cast ressing someone while the other healer tops up the raised people and... you know, actually heals the ones still managing to stay alive. Whether they choose to hard-cast after, or wait until Swiftcast is ready again, is up to their discretion - and is often going to be based on the situation at hand, and what their co-healer is doing. But again, prioritizing people who are alive is always going to be better than trying to res a couple other people who might be dead.

The only time it's worthwhile/necessary to hard-cast in those situations, is if it's a tank or healer down. If you've gotten 2 of 4 DPS up, and the other healer is hard-casting for the third, one DPS still on the floor can be made up for by the co-healer dpsing until Swift is up, to quickly get that lone DPS back on their feet.

Further, it's amusing that some of you seem to be supporting a co-healer being lazy, which again, is contradicting what I've read from you before.

It is not lazy for a healer to assess a situation and determine one extra DPS on the floor is not worth a hard res when the other healer is already in the process of doing so. To repeat myself, they can instead focus on healing the group through whatever the trouble is, or otherwise dps until Swiftcast is ready in order to make up for the missing damage.

You're reaching for strawmans in an attempt at a "gotcha" moment to people who actually care about performing to a basic standard, and it's very obvious.

There is no excuse for the other healer to wait for a full Swiftcast CD while more than one person is down, when they see me hard casting. Their mana isn't somehow more valuable than mine, and that green dps ain't downing the boss if, say, 4 dps are down, chief... not unless said boss is nearly dead, anyway.

See above. And technically, yes - to them, their mana is more valuable than yours is. Just as yours is more valuable to you than theirs is. See how that works?

If you've got multiple weakness stacks on multiple people, it's better to just wipe it and restart at that point. Again, thought this was obvious, but apparently not.

Not every boss is easy to wipe on, since not every boss has a convenient death wall or ledge to jump off. Though I am in agreement that if people are dying left and right, wiping and explaining the fight is probably the best solution at that point.

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Some part of me thinks they might've been a troll; there's no way at that level there's that much incompetence and not know how to properly play a job by that point to such an awful extent.

Funnily enough, had a somewhat similar thing happen yesterday during a 5/6/7 roulette, which shoved me and my friend into Tam-tara Hard.

Healer at the start was just standing around for a full minute at the entrance, though at first I thought they were just DCing or something - saw the pokeball a few times. Once they got moving, they barely healed the tank despite them doing big pulls. No regen, no Medica 2, no dps, just... sometimes throwing out a Cure 2, and more often spamming Cure 1. How we were getting through those pulls is anyone's guess, though me and my friend were on AoE-heavy classes and the tank was good, so.

We kill the second boss after a somewhat slow run through the first few sections. Healer nearly died on first boss but w/e I guess. Still no dps to be seen, not even a Holy.

Second boss goes down, we all use the portal. Healer starts... running back to entrance. Ooookay. Healer is not new, I feel I need to mention at this point. Level 80, multiple other level 80s, no green leaf so they've been through ShB.

We try to tell them to go through the portal in the boss room. I watch the map. They just stand there for two minutes while we're all pinging the area and trying to instruct them. Finally I see them move. They run in a circle outside the boss room, run down the hall, run back up the hall, run into one of the side rooms we cleared for the barriers, then start running towards the entrance AGAIN after we've told them multiple times how to get to us. At that point I just initiated a vote kick - either the person was an actual idiot, or they were trolling.

Honestly reading your story, the similarities are kinda eerie. If they aren't the same person, I have some concerns.

[Zfz]

Had an MSQ roulette, as SCH, things dying incredibly slow but everyone's syncced. Decided to observe the next trash pack, 3 DPS just placed themselves in the pack of mobs, without actually doing anything.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Not a real bad nor good story, but an intriguing one, at least in my opinion.

MSQ Roulette: Praetorium, hitching a ride as a GNB with a friend (MNK) just to help her queue faster and to take advantage of the AiN bonus. The party had 1 newcomer (SCH), evidently with their sprout icon and fully equipped with their AF gears. Cool, I feel better knowing I can make these players lives slightly easier just for this one run.

Fast forward to Nero
My friend commented how she's annoyed with the sound effect of excessive [Medica II] being played in our linkshell chat; something that I usually choose to ignore especially in such faceroll content. Out of curiosity however, I decided to count in my head as I watch that WHM.

"One... two... three... four..."

They pop [Medica II] once very 10 seconds of interval while also standing in middle arena doing nothing, targeting nothing. Getting knocked back in first ultima weapon? They don't bother to preposition themselves. They just continue with their 10s interval of [Medica II] on the corner. Things however gets somewhat chaotic in 2nd ultima weapon encounter. They literally stood still in middle of arena with their 10s interval of [Medica II] entire time. Magitek bits' laser beams? They ate it like cookies. Down they go at last few secs before the boss teleports to middle to cast their Ultima. Poor SCH seemingly getting frantic with their co-healer irresponsiveness, but they made it through. Well done baby SCH

Now up against Llamabrea, funnily enough that WHM didn't even bother resurrect themselves nor accepting SCH's attempt to raise them. Not that their healing is even needed in this phase, but such behavior (this and their 10s shenanigan) draws my friends' interest and said "Hey, let's hang around after we're done. I want to watch this WHM." in our linkshell chat, which I agreed to.

Once the Ascian is a history, as per usual, everybody says their thank you and bolts out of the dungeon, with the SCH being the last since they're watching their CS for first time. The WHM? Still...on the floor Few minutes passes by after, then they went offline. I was going to hop out but my friend insists that we should wait more, so I went afk to brew some tea real quick and come back to see...about 5m has passed, suddenly the WHM came back on again. My friend welcomed them back but 1m after they just poofed offline again. We didn't even saw the 'dead pokeball' icon on both disconnections. Another 3m passed and they came back online again. Again, in less than 1m they poofed offline without the red icon. At this point my friend commented how sketchy this WHM is in our linkshell. We waited for about longer than 5m for one last time, they came back online -again- This time they stay dead for another 2m before resurrecting themselves, casting [Medica II] but stopping before it goes off, then bolted out ASAP.

[Bright-Flower]

Wonder if a bot was piloting the whm or something to get some easy exp without the player having to pay attention or do anythign.