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  1. #21
    Player WoW's Avatar
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    Marco Polo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph2449 View Post
    Honestly since I learned how NA/EU players behave I feel happy I am in Australia and can play in JP where you even que with DF for extremes.
    But, were they able to carry you? Or was it so bad, the party disbanded from the wipes?
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  2. #22
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Id like to ask what do you do with the best weapons?
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    Id like to ask what do you do with the best weapons?
    Well, for this particular tier, the gear will last until level 85-ish when Endwalker releases. Otherwise, the best weapons and best gear are used for speed killing, parse runs, and Ultimate fights (if one releases within the same tier).
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  4. #24
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    Id like to ask what do you do with the best weapons?
    They aren't really needed for anything (unless an Ultimate releases, which it doesn't always), they are mainly to boast that you beat this content and therefore can do more damage and healing than those who haven't.

    It's nice to jump into expert roulettes, max level trials and alliance raids and show how much quicker you can destroy that content now that you have this better gear that most of the others don't have.
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    Id like to ask what do you do with the best weapons?
    makes my life easier with Expert,unsync duties,maps,hunts,Dragon farm etc etc
    people complain how this tier is useless but i dont think they are just because no Ultimate.

    also it's glam always nice to have.
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    makes my life easier with Expert,unsync duties,maps,hunts,Dragon farm etc etc
    people complain how this tier is useless but i dont think they are just because no Ultimate.

    also it's glam always nice to have.
    You see we didnt have ultimate until 4.1 I think and when I did have top tier crap i barley noticed in farms and why would i do expert if i have the best gear? Also glam is incredibly subjective. Alot of MMos fall into this pointless endeavor for raiding or trialing as i call it in ff14 of nothing to do with the best gear it would be nice to have somthing more for hardcore ppl

    Adding on to the expert thing its benign dungeons are hardly any measure of victory. Raid gear no raid gear wont magically make any instance better as the lack of depth
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    Last edited by Jirah; 04-05-2021 at 06:46 PM.
    “Theirs really not much you can change with the MCH”
    -Live letter 66, 9/17/21

    Where is the ambition?

  7. #27
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    Kan Himaa
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    You realize you're basically the embodiment of the NA/EU mindset and opposite of the JP mindset, who are only able to queue for endgame content in DF because it's their culture to do their best to contribute to the team before queuing, where NA/EU can't use the DF because it's our culture to feel entitled to carries and do nothing for the team if we find it fun, thus rendering many endgame DF runs impossible to clear. So JP are actually the "tryhards" as you like to put it and the people setting ilv requirements over here are the handful with the JP mindset of trying to ensure team contribution. JP won't be openly toxic, but actually keep public blacklists for players like yourself who join without preparation and drag a group down but don't care. Just saying
    Also doesn't the DF provide tools to filter what part of the fight one is working on? That's another problem with the NA pugging is that people will just put "doing second half of the fight" and you get people who are not that far yet joining.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
    Also doesn't the DF provide tools to filter what part of the fight one is working on? That's another problem with the NA pugging is that people will just put "doing second half of the fight" and you get people who are not that far yet joining.
    Not just in DF but also PF.
    Many people hop into PFs that want to practice specific mechanics although they have only seen that mechanic once somewhere with lots of deaths and don't play the prior mechanics clean enough to reliably reach that part. If a PF states "tower practice" for e9s you're almost guaranteed to see lots of seeds placed too far centre and blocking the way for breaking tethers, people running to the wrong side on WA/ AA or tanks staying too close with their point-blank and killing a healer stack, people locking others during platform and killing them during side cleave etc. before even seeing towers once. Although that was the mechanic the party was supposed to practice.
    JP has the general rule of "3 wipes = disband", so if you didn't reach that mechanic within 3 pulls, you need to queue again and if someone specific was at fault for the wipes, they'll get added to the unofficial blacklists in most cases. Although some PFs here disband really fast aswell, at least on Light most people are more lenient towards mistakes on earlier mechanics, joke about warm up and try to stick together for longer. I've seen practice parties stay together for several hours although they rarely reached the part they wanted to practice.
    Multiple floor weekly reclear parties are more strict and if someone keeps failing something, they get kicked and replaced within a few pulls.
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    You see we didnt have ultimate until 4.1 I think and when I did have top tier crap i barley noticed in farms and why would i do expert if i have the best gear? Also glam is incredibly subjective. Alot of MMos fall into this pointless endeavor for raiding or trialing as i call it in ff14 of nothing to do with the best gear it would be nice to have somthing more for hardcore ppl

    Adding on to the expert thing its benign dungeons are hardly any measure of victory. Raid gear no raid gear wont magically make any instance better as the lack of depth
    Speaking for myself, I still do Expert to get tomestones to buy gear for alt classes so that I can give them a bit of a headstart in the next expansion. I typically get whatever gear until near the end of an expansion, then I start loading up on the top stuff I can for whatever class I don't really play. Only my main tank, healer, and DPS, get to keep having gear updated as the patches drop.
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    You see we didnt have ultimate until 4.1 I think and when I did have top tier crap i barley noticed in farms and why would i do expert if i have the best gear? Also glam is incredibly subjective. Alot of MMos fall into this pointless endeavor for raiding or trialing as i call it in ff14 of nothing to do with the best gear it would be nice to have somthing more for hardcore ppl

    Adding on to the expert thing its benign dungeons are hardly any measure of victory. Raid gear no raid gear wont magically make any instance better as the lack of depth
    I definitely notice the difference with gear especially with stuff like Titan e4s killing it around the second set of tumults ,while yes Expert dungeon are easy shaving off 5 minutes when everyone is competent and geared makes a huge difference,Glam is subjective yes but so is your "pointless endeavor".
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