RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I don’t understand why people can’t just use a discord group for their rp venues. You can literally just advertise it in 90% of the big Xiv discord’s.

[Enla]

The problem isn’t adult talk in private and it’s not that “sexually charged” events happen it’s literally just stop using the party finder for your brothels, oh my god.

This. While everyone can banter back and forth about what is acceptable, this is essentially the crux of the issue. It's been made pretty clear that the GM's will intervene when 18+ events are put up in Party Finder and ONLY in Party Finder. So I don't know, maybe just don't put them up in Party Finder? Legitimately that's all that needs to be done based on what I'm seeing of the GM's feedback. Stick to twitter, Fellowships, discords, or the Crystal RP Calendar to market your events and call it a day. The GM's aren't saying these events are bannable in and of themselves and while I do think there is a discussion to be had about whether or not 18+ material belongs in a 13+ game, the fact of the matter is that the GM's haven't made that leap yet. Stop giving them a reason to do so if these kind of events matter to you.

[SturmChurro]

Seeing these claims about the OP's venue being an ERP venue and people showing up are staff based on a Carrd found for it, then if true, the argument this thread has opened with is pretty disingenuous, because whilst I 100% agree that the GM's should have a less ambiguous approach where people know what they did wrong rather than people relying on multiple cases trying to find the common denominator and I have 0 problems with people wanting to run adult RP, if the only common denominator is that it's adult venues, then we know there's a high chance the issue is adult venues and it's disingenuous to omit this information when it's this relevant.

The events I run aren't adult themed and seeing these threads and reading things like "but I literally just stand there roleplaying mixing drinks all night twice a week, which is not exactly what I would consider degeneracy." make for more concern what else could get caught up, just as we found from cases in the very first thread like this where non-18+ RP venues were being hit too and had their actions reversed when a community rep looked into it and was 'resolved'.

However, I feel like the question should be plainly asked:
Are ALL of the venues and events being advertised and hit by GM's 18+? And I don't mean, is the advertisement 18+, but if I show up, would I expect that to be happening and being enabled by the venue?

Are there any non-18+ venues still being hit or did they stop when the community manager intervened some weeks ago? Who reversed the accounts where they were given a warning in error .

If we know the answer to these two questions, I feel we've got the common denominator on why these venues are being hit. Then the discussion can be specifically over 18+ venues and how they should be handled. If your wording of the PF advertisement is ambiguous enough that we can argue the semantics of words like "dalliance" then there is some other measure they're figuring out.

If there are people finding this is happening when the venue is not umbrella'd by the above, then we're caught in the exact issue they said was resolved.

A lot of the arguments made surrounding this issue are disengenuous, I'd say. When it first started happening I would give people the benefit of the doubt, but every time, ERP has been advertised. I said so in the initial thread, one user was hit for "18+ E/RP", actually quoting from that advertisement. The GMs have consistently taken action against players being reported who are advertising 18+ ERP venues. I'm positive by now it wasn't some rogue GM either, but SE simply trying to clear the PF of these adult themed ads. In the OP of this thread, for example, the GM even states to keep the age rating of the game in mind.

[Rinhi]

I don’t understand why people can’t just use a discord group for their rp venues. You can literally just advertise it in 90% of the big Xiv discord’s.

because they have to do it in-game and not letting them do it means SE is oppressing their sexuality and thus they can play the victim, not to mention that everyone against this is part of the "purity police" that's against everything "degenerate" etc

[Theodric]

Sadly that doesn't matter to the LARPers playing pretend with "PURGE THE DEGENERANCY DEUS VULT XD" that walk naked around the the QS with chocobo heads harassing people.

Personally I think it's much more likely that most people against this sort of thing simply want the game to remain supported by the development team and not be subjected to legal scrutiny due to an excess of illegal activity.

It's also not at all unreasonable for someone to take a firm stance against the idea of underage players being exposed to grown adults seeking to exploit or abuse them - which is exactly what the law considers such offences to be, if pursued.

As an aside, a lot of people do not go deliberately digging for these incidents but happen to be exposed to them more and more frequently due to invasive and excessive adverts popping up on the party finder.

Which leads concerned players to file reports, GM's to investigate and...it would seem in many cases, they deem action to be necessary.

I'd propose that maybe it's a sign for these venues to not advertise their services at all in-game if they keep falling foul of the established rules.

[Saefinn]

Here's a sample from the carrd with the identifying details cropped out.

And that's the Carrd for the venue? Then yes, I would strongly suspect if it wasn't the word "dalliance" that did it, the GM might have seen this Carrd and figured staff offering ERP would constitute it as an ERP venue and it's the ERP part that's adult content.

If this is only the character's Carrd and if there's nothing to confirm the venue is ERP on the venue's Carrd then I'd be inclined to give the venue the benefit of the doubt.


Of course, to Fuumin, I wish to clarify I have no issue with your character being RP'd that way and whilst I realise the character is asexual, there are many people who are asexual who do have sex in specific circumstances, but the give away is not the domme or the asexuality but the advertisement of ERP, which is adult RP. So it feels disingenuous that the "ERP" bit has been conveniently avoided in this thread when people are suggesting the common denominator is the 18+ RP & that's why people are getting in trouble.

And this has been propped up as a venue that's not being advertised as 18+ and the OP made the semantic argument over "dalliance" and you've now made the semantic arguments about kink and ace. It just makes for a bad faith argument and people here see through that kind of thing and doesn't really do anybody any favours.

So then folks should be calling for clarification or a stance on what they consider acceptable as far as adult content and ERP goes. Whether it's a big "no" entirely or whether it's just the public advertisements? Whether it's something specific about the ones targeted and so on. Nobody in an official capacity has ever said ERP is not allowed. YoshiP has made clear his stance on brothels and that's about it.

I realise many here would say "ban it completely" but that doesn't necessarily reflect the devs' or GMs' stance. Ambiguity suggests they don't ban it outright and nobody has been told to stop. Heck one GM in the past said it's okay. But they can be flakey so it's no guarantee either.

[NessaWyvern]

Just a reminder, the ToS states:
“ 3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive.
The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.”

Just because you put "18+" in the PF, doesn’t mean you are suddenly immune to the ToS.

[LittleImp]

And that's the Carrd for the venue? Then yes, I would strongly suspect if it wasn't the word "dalliance" that did it, the GM might have seen this Carrd and figured staff offering ERP would constitute it as an ERP venue and it's the ERP part that's adult content.

If this is only the character's Carrd and if there's nothing to confirm the venue is ERP on the venue's Carrd then I'd be inclined to give the venue the benefit of the doubt.

This is indeed from the venues carrd. Additionally they have have a services page listing the following (name redacted to protect the venue).

https://i.imgur.com/dx5auge.png

[Saefinn]

This is indeed from the venues carrd. Additionally they have have a services page listing the following (name redacted to protect the venue).

https://i.imgur.com/dx5auge.png

Thank you.

Then it does seem pretty obvious to me why the GM has acted, whilst the guy was vague and backpedalled and wasn't that helpful beyond his comment about age considerations but with how since after the initial GMing error of 1 GM it has seemingly just been ERP or adult venues using PF that have been moderated, I think it's safe to say, this is why the GM got involved (at least, nobody has told me otherwise in these threads when I've asked if non-adult ones have been affected). It seems they may be using more than just the PF description.

[SturmChurro]

This is indeed from the venues carrd. Additionally they have have a services page listing the following (name redacted to protect the venue).

https://i.imgur.com/dx5auge.png

What a surprise. That venue looks to be an "18+ E/RP", that charges gil.