RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[LianaThorne]

Still doesn't make it okay that the GM just didn't say "the site you linked violated the ToS". Regardless of the offence the offender has a right to be told exactly what they did was wrong.

And that's still the player only GUESSING it was the website. Given we don't even know what the site is at best we can speculate as to whether it violated the ToS or not.

That conversation is such a depressing thing to read. The GM flat out ignores the player's very polite requests and sound reasoning for an explanation. I understand that the GM is only following the policy they're hired to enforce, but it doesn't make it any less tiresome to see this sort of thing...again.

The issue is ultimately how tight their privacy policy is and that goes above the GMs and something they can't really control. That's a corporate thing or was most likely written by someone higher up. I don't think the GMs really have any room to go against it without the risk of losing their job or being punished over it. I can't really blame them and I ultimately feel bad for them because I'm sure they would help if they could. It could be worth reaching out to someone higher up over it but idk how far that would go either. This situation is depressing though as a whole, I agree.

[Vahlnir]

Still doesn't make it okay that the GM just didn't say "the site you linked violated the ToS". Regardless of the offence the offender has a right to be told exactly what they did was wrong.

And that's still the player only GUESSING it was the website. Given we don't even know what the site is at best we can speculate as to whether it violated the ToS or not.

That conversation is such a depressing thing to read. The GM flat out ignores the player's very polite requests and sound reasoning for an explanation. I understand that the GM is only following the policy they're hired to enforce, but it doesn't make it any less tiresome to see this sort of thing...again.

And, again, I have never disputed that. Conversations like that shouldn't be the norm. If someone's being punished, they should be told why. Regardless of whether someone is ERPing, botting or swearing like a drunken sailor, there should still be a proper explanation.

[Arillyn]

If it obstruct party finder in any way please look what I say PARTY finder... Party finder means looking for people to do X content inside the game that is pvp/pve based... that is why it is reportable, and I don't see why GM's should receive punishment for doing their job.

Considering the last time the GMs gave out random punishments to people posting about RP events in PF and also that person who was trying to find fellow fishers to go fishing with and it blew up in SE's face - they issued an apology and told the community it was fine to post RP in PF so long as you didn't put an age limit on it AND they reversed marks against people's accounts - pretty sure it's fine to put RP events in the PF. I think SE is trying to keep the 18+ designation out - which I get and personally don't have a problem with. But leave RP that doesn't fall into that alone in PF.

Personally I wish the GMs and the community would worry half as much about the RMT/Win sales in PF as they do about RP events being in PF.

[Awha]

Let us not hate on the GM they are just doing their job. Let us not Witch hunt or put all the blame on the GM.

For your own sanity and for those GMs just do things via discord.

[Penthea]

And, again, I have never disputed that. Conversations like that shouldn't be the norm. If someone's being punished, they should be told why. Regardless of whether someone is ERPing, botting or swearing like a drunken sailor, there should still be a proper explanation.

Nah not saying you are disputing that, didn't mean to imply that you did. I was just adding my two cents to what you had said.

[Kaurhz]

I'm going to guess your extremely vague allusions are to grooming. Yes, you are being holier-than-thou, because literally no one that participates in these venues thinks grooming is an acceptable practice. I have seen people be mass blacklisted merely from the accusation of such. Our particular issue is that we just don't think these venues actually open the doors to grooming any more than other social interactions. You're arguing on moral grounds; we don't disagree that grooming is bad, Jack Thompson, we just think you're incorrect about these venues' effects on the oh-so-vulnerable children you hide behind to stifle activities you personally think are bad.

Not exclusively grooming, no. Anything that exposes someone to a situation that they aren't old enough, or mature enough to handle due to potential and clear emotional damage that can occur as a result of mature content. Whether or not people see it as an acceptable practice or not is irrelevant since practically every venue opens up the opportunity for this to happen, be it glaringly obvious or without people seeing it. I've stepped into enough venues on my alt, and casually on my main, and without flaw I've had someone attempt to hit on my Au Ra via DMs. It's called 1 thing leading to another.

Not to mention with peoples' blatant attempt at defending this behavior, be it on this thread, or other similar threads of people crying because they've been targeted for not only advertising but equally trying to circumvent this through the use of linking external websites. This leads me to the contrary conclusion that people in some vein or another seem to find it a socially acceptable practice to solicit mature advertisements in a public space that involves many people of a mature audience. So I guess you're certain you speak on behalf of the entirety of the playerbase when you make the bold statement of "literally nobody", in spite of several people here attempting to justify the material in the first place. It's hardly about people thinking it's socially acceptable in the first place anyway, and more about these venues that people openly advertise enable the very real possibility of inappropriate things to occur.

If you want to say that you think I am incorrect on the effect that some of these venues have on individuals then that is fine, heck I'll even accept that outlook. If you however come at me like many folks on this forum have done so and even attempt to justify it through the use of the following statements:

- It isn't my responsibility, parents should do better parental control in the future.
- Well this game already includes many sexual references, so what the heck, I'm fine with exposing them to explicit content.
- Well I slapped a cute little [+18] sticker on it, therefore the responsibility layeth wholly with the minor.

Then I'm going to tell you to go and look for your compass because apparently it is lost and not found if people honestly believe this is even remotely an acceptable statement to make in response to some arguments made. So yes, I will continue my moral high ground crusade until these very people concede that these are not socially acceptable excuses in any narrative, as shall many others on this thread, as there is a clear audience of people that seem to hold this very same outlook.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

All of these "the parents should parent better" responses remind me slightly of "well she shouldn't have dressed like that then"

Just keep your 18+ adverts out of party finder in all aspects, as clearly that is what is getting people in trouble. Just like Twitter and twitch misdemeanors get people in trouble.

I honestly don't care if you erp in a private setting.

Wish they start banning the rmt run sellers too...

[TheDowager]

Cute attitude.

Thanks, I made it myself.

A thorough reading of the thread shows that OP and co were determined to cause an outcry in their favor, which backfired because they clearly were in the wrong. Which is all anyone really pointed out, aside from the usual one or two suspects who never have anything constructive to say, regardless of the topic. Regardless of what anyone here personally thinks about ERP (99% don’t seem to care one way or the other), it’s against the rules to publicly advertise for it. Either be discreet or don’t, and potentially face consequences.

Attitude aside, I feel like me and you are talking about different things. From my perspective, this latest bit of PF witch hunting is absolutely to target mature venues. I don't particularly care about the PF shenanigans by itself, but I feel it is the start of a trend. If I felt like the PF advertising was the end of it, I wouldn't have signed up to post here. But like I said in my original post... I've seen this happen in other communities before. If past trends are any indication, then after the PFs, these people will start trying to bait establishment workers into saying things only to report them.

Heck, I don't even necessarily disagree with people who are against the explicit PFs! I see where they're coming from, and though I don't see it as an issue personally, the letter of the law does indeed say that public behavior should be kept to the game's rating.

Regardless of what anyone here personally thinks about ERP (99% don’t seem to care one way or the other)

I know, and that's why I'm so livid when this comes up. Because it's really just a small handful of people who are causing this much grief.

I hope this post has made my stance a bit more clear. I apologize for snapping at you.

[MPK]

Good job GMs! This game is aimed at people 13+. You can't prove the other person you're illegally RPing with is an adult so ERP should be illegal.

[TheDowager]

snip for brevity

First off, I'd like to apologize for getting worked up there and snapping at you. I replied to another poster just now also, and I'm hoping that post explains my view much better.

Most of your post I have no umbrage with. The only thing I have to respond to is:

- It isn't my responsibility, parents should do better parental control in the future.

I agree with most people here that this is an extremely dismissive and callous argument. Parents cannot supervise their children 100% of the time. What they can do, however, is prepare their child for what they may find on the internet, and how to protect themselves. When I was a kid, my dad sat me down and had The Talk -- he warned me that not everyone online was my friend, even if they said so. That if someone ever wanted to take things too far, to cut off contact. I am a firm believer that most kids should have this talk with some authoritative figure. I'm not arguing this should absolve public PFs of responsibility, but trying to provide context and nuance to the conversation.

I just have a lot of friends that worked a lot of hours into building these venues and helping people have fun. I don't want to see all their work go to waste, I don't want to see all of their friends get scattered because of witch hunts, and I'm scared. I'm sorry again I snapped at you.