RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[Alaray]

This game is rated T for Teen which the ESRB rates as 13+ so unless SE wants to get into a situation where an RP event turns into an ERP (which eventually it does) and its found out that there was someone underaged who participated, legal action may ensue. I have noticed an influx of casinos, "specialty" venues and even multiple alts, as of late and limsa is starting to become questionable at peak times. Imo they need to reduce the character limit from 40 to 8 per account to curtail excessive bots/alts/RMT/PF ads, but that's a different topic all together. However I'm not sure why RP are being targeted when Yoshi promotes RP but I guess you lie in the bed you made.

Source: https://www.esrb.org/ratings-guide/

You missed the point by a mile.

Either way, a plethora of MMO's have existed before XIV, and one with a much worse scene that's pretty much infamous outside of the game. I can't even think of a single legal case brought forth, and the times I can think about for when police did investigate that area of the game to prevent child involvement... nothing came of it. I still firmly believe people should be allowed to attach an age bracket to an event they're having, regardless of whether or not explicit content is involved. If there is who cares, and if you care, get a grip and touch some grass.

Compared to other issues that are allowed to propagate in the game comparatively, it's stupid that this is a focus. Especially when FC's are more or less publicly advertising via existing with a tag, and there's hundreds of those that're just as (if not more) explicit in their blurbs.

All this kind of moderating really does is add thinner eggshells to the floor to walk on, to where this game barely has any in-game community to begin with.

[Kaurhz]

Even a cursory glance at this thread would dispel the illusion that this isn't "a matter of pearl clutching or being holier than thou."

Can hardly blame people and me when any form of criticism towards publicly advertising mature content through even since the first iteration of complaints back a couple months back were only ever met with:

But it isn't my fault, control your kids.
But you can find sexually explicit content online anyway.
But we said 18+ on the sticker.
But it doesn't say so in the PF.

Taking aside moral stances. All of these issues open up the possibility to very sanctioning circumstances, both in real life and on video games. So there's an apparent issue here if people seem to think it's okay to potentially widen the opportunity with which such events can occur. If people are going to rationalize this nonsense behind false equivalencies and excuses then people are going to take the moral high ground them until they stop being so detracted from the reality of what can happen. At this point it isn't even about seeking alternatives but people actually rationalize it.

Now if you're going to call that moral grandstanding or holier than thou, then all my response is going to be; I'll be glad that I have a moral compass, and I'll be glad that it is fully functional. I'd rather fall into the category that describes me as a moral grandstander than someone not seeing the blatant issues surrounding this entire charade.

[Toky]

Another one was reported last night and in GM jail this morning.

[Vahlnir]

Dalliance-a casual romantic or sexual relationship

Welp, guess we know the issue here. This venue rolled the dice just by hosting, let alone posting in the PF. No one should be surprised that action was taken at this point. Good on the GM for doing their job.

See that may work in one case but in the other case, The party finder reported did not have 18+ in the party finder what so ever. Instead, They simply had a standard role play venue party finder without adult connotations and still were placed in gm jail.

First of all, I would like to start here. See this right here? When I brought up the definition of this word initially, not even the OP defended themselves. In fact, they acknowledged that it was most likely what lead to the issues of the first "case" they posted. Anyone who's trying to perform mental gymnastics by saying "but the other definition!" really didn't look at the context of the situation. It is very clear what they meant. Stop being purposely obtuse. I'd like to think that most of you are better than this. I will leave it at that.

Yes, people have deviant thoughts on a regular basis, as they do ERP from time to time. But many that do just have enough common sense to understand why you don't do it in a public place, and why you don't do it with complete strangers you have only known for 5 minutes. Hardly hypocrisy, and more just having the common sense to not do it on a public platform, or advertise it on a public platform like party finder.

Let's talk gross and inappropriate? Advertising mature content on a party finder; which need I might add is a very public place where people not of appropriate age are more than likely to hang, objective people know this is a bad idea because it opens an avenue for people to break the law and have a serious detriment to all parties involved.

If we want to talk about parenting, then let's talk about how everyone in some form of gravity has a responsibility in any given situation to take into account the audience. It is the parent's responsibility to make sure to the best of the ability they don't step into a venue; now I'm not sure if you know how curious and rebellious children are but they will more than likely ignore any warning, including that which you slap on your advertisement. At the point you interact with them it is YOUR responsibility not to do inappropriate things with that child.

If you want to slap virtue signally, sanctimony, and more high grounding, then in return I'm going to tell you not to ignore the real-world consequences and dangers that can occur when you advertise mature and potentially explicit content to a minor, or at the very least where you open up very accessible avenues for such things to take place even on accident.

I for one am glad I have a moral compass, apparently some people aren't though

Well said. This is exactly how I feel on the whole thing.

Another one was reported last night and in GM jail this morning.

Since the venue's site was brought up, and this person attempted to defend it (citing that it is not part of FF XIV and its policies), I'd wager that yes it was indeed the venue's site. If this is truly the case, then this isn't really any different than them cracking down on NSFW mods posted on Twitter or inappropriate things on Twitch like they have before.

[Vaern]

I wonder what was on this website.
Also we can see the name at 13:35.

[LianaThorne]

snip

Since the player said they didn't use an 18+ tag in their PF post and specifically brought up the website, I'm gonna take a guess that they're using outside websites now as evidence since the people putting up the ads are linking to it themselves.

So we can kind of make an educated guess that both 18+ tags on their own and outside websites on their own that go against the ToS are triggers. Specific word choices like dalliance may or may not be a trigger (I can't really say yet since we'd need more examples using word choices like that).

But holy shit I would be so frustrated by that convo.

[BunniEclair]

Even a cursory glance at this thread would dispel the illusion that this isn't "a matter of pearl clutching or being holier than thou."

Cute attitude. I see you’re so bent on playing the victim that you seem to think that pointing out the game rating and “there’s a time and a place for publicly advertised adult content/events, and PF isn't it” is pearl clutching.

A thorough reading of the thread shows that OP and co were determined to cause an outcry in their favor, which backfired because they clearly were in the wrong. Which is all anyone really pointed out, aside from the usual one or two suspects who never have anything constructive to say, regardless of the topic. Regardless of what anyone here personally thinks about ERP (99% don’t seem to care one way or the other), it’s against the rules to publicly advertise for it. Either be discreet or don’t, and potentially face consequences.

[Laphicet]

If it obstruct party finder in any way please look what I say PARTY finder... Party finder means looking for people to do X content inside the game that is pvp/pve based... that is why it is reportable

Tell that to the guy that got a permanent strike for trying to get a party of FSH together to grind the relic with.

[Penthea]

Since the venue's site was brought up, and this person attempted to defend it (citing that it is not part of FF XIV and its policies), I'd wager that yes it was indeed the venue's site. If this is truly the case, then this isn't really any different than them cracking down on NSFW mods posted on Twitter or inappropriate things on Twitch like they have before.

Still doesn't make it okay that the GM just didn't say "the site you linked violated the ToS". Regardless of the offence the offender has a right to be told exactly what they did was wrong.

And that's still the player only GUESSING it was the website. Given we don't even know what the site is at best we can speculate as to whether it violated the ToS or not.

That conversation is such a depressing thing to read. The GM flat out ignores the player's very polite requests and sound reasoning for an explanation. I understand that the GM is only following the policy they're hired to enforce, but it doesn't make it any less tiresome to see this sort of thing...again.

[KeshLives]

Another one was reported last night and in GM jail this morning.

Hmm. From your pic:

"Theirs had an 18+ rating listed but mine did not. So I will assume it was due to the venue's website? Even though the website is off-site and not part of FFXIV and its policies."

If you're linking it in game, the action of doing so IS in FFXIV's purview. If they don't want that linked in game they may say take whatever action they want.