RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[Vaern]

A lot of people make empty threats.

Look don't get me wrong, I am not a supporter of publicly advertised erp. I don't think it's appropriate with the age rating of this game.

However I find it very worrying that people are often disciplined without being told exactly what they did wrong, and also how "dalliance" supposedly must have sexual connotations just because it was for a bar or night club, as opposed to people just chatting casually with no strings attached which can also be a dalliance. A word with more than one meaning on its own isn't proof of something. If they were caught in the act of pushing their erp onto others then fine I support the punishment. But if not, then that is an issue in of itself.

It might have been empty threats, I will never know for sure. I do believe that they did it, I don't see angry people telling that to someone just to look angry and toxic on a /party chat.

I understand that not being told exactly what you did wrong can be a bit confusing in the cases where you genuinely don't know what you did wrong. But at the same time advertising adult content in PF isn't a very smart nor safe thing to do, and to me that's just common sense.

It's not just the word 'dalliance' I think. Between the carrd that someone said in this thread have ERP services written on it, the 18+ tag and the ambiguous wording. I have a pretty good idea of why that player RP venue advertisement got them warned and I'm sure that player can also tell by now why that happened.

[Saefinn]

If it obstruct party finder in any way please look what I say PARTY finder... Party finder means looking for people to do X content inside the game that is pvp/pve based... that is why it is reportable, and I don't see why GM's should receive punishment for doing their job.

Obviously people is fuming about this, as it is now pointed out that it is not needed, again find other means to get your message out, use the Fellowship thing, it is actually quite usefull and those interested, will go there and find whatever Fellowship that may seem interesting and when it get more wide out it goes by tongues as well.

Some of the PvP ones work really really well and more... especially to get a message out about a player event or game event.

They cleared that one up. It's acceptable usage of the Party Finder. Fellowship can be okay for making communities and recruiting people, it's terrible for events. PF is the best tool for events in game. Heck the GM the OP showed says it's fine, but made reference to keeping it age appropriate and that seems to be what where the issue is.

The problem here seems to be more to do with 18+ advertisements. That said, they've never made it explicitly clear, just something we've used the power of deduction to kind of work out. But if the usage of "Dalliance" really is innocent and it wasn't advertising 18+ RP, then it does raise other concerns

[Nayout]

Yesterday in primal

[Penthea]

It might have been empty threats, I will never know for sure. I do believe that they did it, I don't see angry people telling that to someone just to look angry and toxic on a /party chat.

I used to raid with someone who spewed out empty threats of reporting. In the heat of the moment they would state they would report but after they calmed down they ended up not doing it.

I understand that not being told exactly what you did wrong can be a bit confusing in the cases where you genuinely don't know what you did wrong. But at the same time advertising adult content in PF isn't a very smart nor safe thing to do, and to me that's just common sense.

I just hope it doesn't get to the stage in which players and GMs think "it's a late night bar, it must have adult content!" when it could easily be a bunch of people rping snobs drinking expensive wine while complimenting the attire of their acquaintances.

It's not just the word 'dalliance' I think. Between the carrd that someone said in this thread have ERP services written on it, the 18+ tag and the ambiguous wording. I have a pretty good idea of why that player RP venue advertisement got them warned and I'm sure that player can also tell by now why that happened.

Can you please explain to me what this card is exactly? I must be blind because I can't find the post that explains it. Was it an in-game mail? Or something outside of the game?

[LittleImp]

Can you please explain to me what this card is exactly? I must be blind because I can't find the post that explains it. Was it an in-game mail? Or something outside of the game?

Carrd is a website that allows you to quickly put together nice looking webpages that are hosted for free or very inexpensively. It's extremely popular in the RP community for hosting little websites that include RP character or venue profiles. You'll often see links to them in PFs or in peoples search infos.

The OP intentionally censored out both the name of the venue and the link to the carrd relating to it, because it contains direct references to selling ERP services and pretty much completely torpedo's the narrative they set out to create.

[Penthea]

Carrd is a website that allows you to quickly put together nice looking webpages that are hosted for free or very inexpensively. It's extremely popular in the RP community for hosting little websites that include RP character or venue profiles. You'll often see links to them in PFs or in peoples search infos.

The OP intentionally censored out both the name of the venue and the link to the carrd relating to it, because it contains direct references to selling ERP services and pretty much completely torpedo's the narrative they set out to create.

This is interesting because SE typically do not use information from outside of the game as proof to discipline a player, and when I have heard of it happening it was always a stream in which you could clearly see the player playing the game and doing the deed.

In the case of that site, there isn't a way to prove that the profiles of the characters actually belong to the players, is there? If SE are using that site to track activity well...I just hope no one decides to troll by putting up dummy accounts to get someone else in trouble. Not saying this is what happened to OP, just speaking in general.

[Vaern]

Can you please explain to me what this card is exactly? I must be blind because I can't find the post that explains it. Was it an in-game mail? Or something outside of the game?

Carrd.co is a website allowing people to make like a one page website for whatever they want to put on it. There was a link to a carrd in the party finder but this one got cut off by the OP so we can't tell what was on it.

Then LittleImp said this on page 6 :

Said venue has a carrd that openly details and prices ERP services. This is very likely the carrd that was linked in the PF, and very likely what they were actioned for.

Wether it's true or not we can't know, fact is someone got a warning based on all these elements.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This is interesting because SE typically do not use information from outside of the game as proof to discipline a player, and when I have heard of it happening it was always a stream in which you could clearly see the player playing the game and doing the deed.

In the case of that site, there isn't a way to prove that the profiles of the characters actually belong to the players, is there? If SE are using that site to track activity well...I just hope no one decides to troll by putting up dummy accounts to get someone else in trouble. Not saying this is what happened to OP, just speaking in general.

The problem with that thought, is one, it's incorrect, and 2, outdated.

The reason it is generally thought SE does not use outside information is because you as a reporter cannot provide outside information.


If the person themselves has the link in their char bio or pf listing, we'll, that's no longer "3rd party" evidence. They are providing it.


As to your concern, the penalties only seem to be happening to the person who posts that info, not people the site may detail.


In this instance, only the person with the pf up got the suspension/warning

[Theodric]

This is interesting because SE typically do not use information from outside of the game as proof to discipline a player, and when I have heard of it happening it was always a stream in which you could clearly see the player playing the game and doing the deed.

They do use third party information if the player being investigated is actively projecting it out into the world through a party finder listing or their character's search info. It's practically an admission of guilt in such cases.

As others have pointed out, GM's can also go invisible on demand and check to see what people are doing behind closed doors if they so wish.

[jameseoakes]

This is interesting because SE typically do not use information from outside of the game as proof to discipline a player, and when I have heard of it happening it was always a stream in which you could clearly see the player playing the game and doing the deed.

In the case of that site, there isn't a way to prove that the profiles of the characters actually belong to the players, is there? If SE are using that site to track activity well...I just hope no one decides to troll by putting up dummy accounts to get someone else in trouble. Not saying this is what happened to OP, just speaking in general.

I'm guessing that's as the player was linking the site, if that site was advertising things for ingame that are way outside the ToS then it seems fair to use it and I assume the GM would have checked the link which if it was advertising ERP then it kinda makes the whole word use thing a bit moot point.