To those that say FF14 is not a big dog in MMO's

[VelKallor]

There is no reason that FF14 should not have already adapted a Mythic plus type system in FF14 with in game leader boards and more of a focus on cosmetics vs gear progression.

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

[Theodric]

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

The game would benefit immensely from having more content for players to tackle.

I'm not inclined to think we shouldn't get additional types of content just because a minority of players would abuse it. By that logic, we shouldn't get any casual or fluff content either because I guarantee that there's a whole lot of abuse from portions of the supposedly 'non-toxic' FFXIV community over on the likes of Reddit and Twitter.

[Axxion]

The game would benefit immensely from having more content for players to tackle.

I'm not inclined to think we shouldn't get additional types of content just because a minority of players would abuse it. By that logic, we shouldn't get any casual or fluff content either because I guarantee that there's a whole lot of abuse from portions of the supposedly 'non-toxic' FFXIV community over on the likes of Reddit and Twitter.

Truth be told I would not mind that. It will keep me playing a bit more in between patch cycles. And after everything i wanted to do.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The game would benefit immensely from having more content for players to tackle.

I'm not inclined to think we shouldn't get additional types of content just because a minority of players would abuse it. By that logic, we shouldn't get any casual or fluff content either because I guarantee that there's a whole lot of abuse from portions of the supposedly 'non-toxic' FFXIV community over on the likes of Reddit and Twitter.

Nobody is going to argue that more content, and overall more stuff to do is a good thing.
The argument from VelKallor there is that FFXIV shouldn't become a hardcore Raiders game. The whole Meters thing is frowned on from YoshiP and the Devs for this game rightfully so, because they dont want people to become toxic and Gatekeep players from content because [Insert player name here] doesn't perform X-level of DPS.

These people exist no matter what, but the idea is to not give power to it. XIV is more Casual focused with a small Raiding Scene.

[Puremallace]

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

Anyone who played WoW or plays WoW knows that Raider.IO is a symptom of bad game design. If you understand the system it is built on RNG and the pure inability to reset a stupid timer so you are forced to min/max in situations where you never realistically would ever do that.

When you wipe on a raid boss it does not screw the raid key and mess you out of loot for the entire instance. It is an incredibly stupid concept that creates a faux sense of competition. If they allowed you to reset the timer and try again for a better score they know it would cause people to gear faster and in WoW that is rule #1 of things that can never be allowed.

FF14 does not face this situation as the gearing progression has something I like to call "common sense" where the developer does not put up arbitrary RNG systems on top of gridny systems with the sole intention of slowing you down. This allows you to do something I call "enjoy the game".

Also the meta in WoW for Mythic plus is also caused by absolutely god awful class balancing that leaves some classes in an almost non existent place for months. The difference between the best and worst in FF14 is roughly 5% currently and there are not wild swings from one patch to another. My Paladin was not awesome in 5.0, crap in 5.1...semi good in 5.2...worst class in 5.3,,,,good again by 5.4 but in WoW world this is a real reality.

[Alaray]

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

I have my issues with raider.io, though it's not the issues you have with it. That, and XIV doesn't have addon support anyway so it's not likely something of that nature would even come around (and, additionally, in WoW for M+ I'd just start making my own groups and by proxy would raise up my raider.io since it's all just dungeon-completion grinding. I just stopped since I didn't want to do 10 a week) You don't even see that level of exclusivity with Savage raids in PF, or EX trials, so there's pretty little reason to believe people would suddenly start doing it for dungeons. And, I mean, if they do -- literally make your own group, you can't be declined from your own party.

Mid-tier content that has some semblance of replay-ability with some worthwhile reward attached to it would be fun, IMO. Even if it's just cosmetic rewards (although I guess why do that when they can just sell you whatever new stuff on the mogstation these days lol)

Other than tomes, what other purpose do dungeons serve? At least this would make them seem a little more interesting. And, honestly? Difficult 4-man content is pretty fun -- Higher PotD floors feel more like actual dungeons compared to what we get normally (but it'd be nice to have stuff with that difficulty in mind, without needing to spend the 4+ hours getting there).

[linayar]

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

The game would benefit immensely from having more content for players to tackle.

I'm not inclined to think we shouldn't get additional types of content just because a minority of players would abuse it. By that logic, we shouldn't get any casual or fluff content either because I guarantee that there's a whole lot of abuse from portions of the supposedly 'non-toxic' FFXIV community over on the likes of Reddit and Twitter.

Having more content aside, any abuse "done" outside of the game is irrelevant unless it spills over to the game itself.

So, in conclusion:

Let's have more types of contents that are casual enough to fit the official stance of needing no third party tool!

Win-win for both sides?

[Psytic]

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

What if they had a timed Deep Dungeon with keys similar to potd or heaven on high and added gear tokens to get unique gear. Id totally tackle it. I guess Torghast was WoW trying to copy this and it blew up in their face. But I wouldnt be tying relic / legendaries to it as the only way to get them. If people can just do it as an alternate way to gear without being forced with a gun to their head and it actually had challenge modes with the leader boards it could be fun with more tile sets and interesting mechanics added. The problem with WoW is you hit a point that you HAVE to either Raid or push Mythic or go no where in gear level and dont progress. In FFXIV with being able to gear from multiple casual types of content it wouldnt be forced on you or be toxic. Id put the reward on the level as an Expert Roulette or something like that but with unique gear sets you can buy.

[Fhaerron]

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

We do have FFlogs and also the Japanese Datacenter have public blacklist where they put the bad people on.
We also have DPS meters for a very long time.

[Axxion]

We do have FFlogs and also the Japanese Datacenter have public blacklist where they put the bad people on.
We also have DPS meters for a very long time.

Wait, they have a public backlist?