To those that say FF14 is not a big dog in MMO's

[VelKallor]

There is no reason that FF14 should not have already adapted a Mythic plus type system in FF14 with in game leader boards and more of a focus on cosmetics vs gear progression.

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

[Theodric]

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

The game would benefit immensely from having more content for players to tackle.

I'm not inclined to think we shouldn't get additional types of content just because a minority of players would abuse it. By that logic, we shouldn't get any casual or fluff content either because I guarantee that there's a whole lot of abuse from portions of the supposedly 'non-toxic' FFXIV community over on the likes of Reddit and Twitter.

[Lauront]

I mean I personally keep both subs going neither game has me covered for what I like to do unfortunately. Casual pvp is 100x more fun in WoW to just putter around in battle grounds. Healing to me is way way more fun in WoW they have melee healers like Fistweave Mistweaver and Glimmer Paladin, Druids with Catweaveing in FFXIV its like they keep making them more similar by the patch. When Im working from home I sometimes like to putter around and do world quests and battle pets in WoW but cant really jump into a dungeon queue. In FFXIV the open world is super bland to look at in many zones (ARR for whatever reason they seemed to have more unique areas and detail). Many expansion zones in SHB and Storm are just endless red rock badlands and the fates usually are just kill quests. No interesting ones like snowboarding or flappy bird or what ever like WoW.

The Pikmin clone in Gold Saucer doesnt have the depth of actual pet battling in WoW which is more like pokemon and you can travel the world battling masters (I guess Triple Triad is more close to this). FFXIV for me is less toxic and I dont need to submit a job application to get into dungeons like with Mythic+ although FFXIV also doesnt have a Mythic+ at all and there is alot less to do at end game in general if your not a Savage Raider. The dps queues are longer for most content than WoW. FFXIV has its charm though and the community for me has been nicer and you can own property. So I sub to run casual dungeons and raids but for me the open world content is also lacking in FFXIV and usually boils down to "here is some mobs go kill them". Or /Beckon them, they dont even have follow AI for escort quests.

The one thing it does well is it doesnt fuu people with range loot like WoW does or layer systems designed to slow you down and thats a huge plus. However imo FFXIV could do with a few more interesting power systems such as set bonuses that change the way the class plays etc. it almost plays it a little too safe to the point it can get a tad boring the class design (especially healers as mentioned). Where as WoW re-invents the wheel every expac and if you liked something too bad its gone the next expac. Both need to be better imo in finding a balance between taking risks and going whole hog with new systems every expac.

One thing I miss about WOW was the design of its caster classes, and the versatility of their abilities, e.g. the Mirror Images and Invisibility on Mage, or the Old God vibe Shadow Priest has going now. The things you mention, about the zone design (and I'd add to that the lack of much explicit racial distinctiveness in XIV), resonate with me, but unfortunately I find that beyond those things, WoW doesn't intrigue me enough to play it. XIV edges it out for me for the time being, but I wouldn't say by too much; we'll see what its future direction is and whether they actually go ahead and improve on their graphics engine (e.g. here), etc. I agree with your comment on XIV needing to find a better balance in that direction. I'm hoping some of the newer MMOs on the horizon do well and deliver on their promises, but I'm not placing any reliance on that until I see it happening.

[Axxion]

The game would benefit immensely from having more content for players to tackle.

I'm not inclined to think we shouldn't get additional types of content just because a minority of players would abuse it. By that logic, we shouldn't get any casual or fluff content either because I guarantee that there's a whole lot of abuse from portions of the supposedly 'non-toxic' FFXIV community over on the likes of Reddit and Twitter.

Truth be told I would not mind that. It will keep me playing a bit more in between patch cycles. And after everything i wanted to do.

[Puremallace]

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

Anyone who played WoW or plays WoW knows that Raider.IO is a symptom of bad game design. If you understand the system it is built on RNG and the pure inability to reset a stupid timer so you are forced to min/max in situations where you never realistically would ever do that.

When you wipe on a raid boss it does not screw the raid key and mess you out of loot for the entire instance. It is an incredibly stupid concept that creates a faux sense of competition. If they allowed you to reset the timer and try again for a better score they know it would cause people to gear faster and in WoW that is rule #1 of things that can never be allowed.

FF14 does not face this situation as the gearing progression has something I like to call "common sense" where the developer does not put up arbitrary RNG systems on top of gridny systems with the sole intention of slowing you down. This allows you to do something I call "enjoy the game".

Also the meta in WoW for Mythic plus is also caused by absolutely god awful class balancing that leaves some classes in an almost non existent place for months. The difference between the best and worst in FF14 is roughly 5% currently and there are not wild swings from one patch to another. My Paladin was not awesome in 5.0, crap in 5.1...semi good in 5.2...worst class in 5.3,,,,good again by 5.4 but in WoW world this is a real reality.

[Alaray]

Because FF 14 REALLY needs a Raider.io type database to abuse, humiliate and denigrate players along with dps meters.

Thank you, NO.

I have my issues with raider.io, though it's not the issues you have with it. That, and XIV doesn't have addon support anyway so it's not likely something of that nature would even come around (and, additionally, in WoW for M+ I'd just start making my own groups and by proxy would raise up my raider.io since it's all just dungeon-completion grinding. I just stopped since I didn't want to do 10 a week) You don't even see that level of exclusivity with Savage raids in PF, or EX trials, so there's pretty little reason to believe people would suddenly start doing it for dungeons. And, I mean, if they do -- literally make your own group, you can't be declined from your own party.

Mid-tier content that has some semblance of replay-ability with some worthwhile reward attached to it would be fun, IMO. Even if it's just cosmetic rewards (although I guess why do that when they can just sell you whatever new stuff on the mogstation these days lol)

Other than tomes, what other purpose do dungeons serve? At least this would make them seem a little more interesting. And, honestly? Difficult 4-man content is pretty fun -- Higher PotD floors feel more like actual dungeons compared to what we get normally (but it'd be nice to have stuff with that difficulty in mind, without needing to spend the 4+ hours getting there).

[Y2K21]

Anyone who played WoW or plays WoW knows that Raider.IO is a symptom of bad game design.

Raider.IO only exists because its a measuring tool for people to know how experienced players are in M+ -- which is a one-shot. People use R.IO because its accurate in how people do the content and how consistent they are at it.

If R.IO was banned, it would be something else (GearScore previously, iLvl etc.). M+ just is a system where people want the more experienced players to do high keys. THAT BEING SAID, people who gatekeep on lower keys are dredges.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The game would benefit immensely from having more content for players to tackle.

I'm not inclined to think we shouldn't get additional types of content just because a minority of players would abuse it. By that logic, we shouldn't get any casual or fluff content either because I guarantee that there's a whole lot of abuse from portions of the supposedly 'non-toxic' FFXIV community over on the likes of Reddit and Twitter.

Nobody is going to argue that more content, and overall more stuff to do is a good thing.
The argument from VelKallor there is that FFXIV shouldn't become a hardcore Raiders game. The whole Meters thing is frowned on from YoshiP and the Devs for this game rightfully so, because they dont want people to become toxic and Gatekeep players from content because [Insert player name here] doesn't perform X-level of DPS.

These people exist no matter what, but the idea is to not give power to it. XIV is more Casual focused with a small Raiding Scene.

[MonsutaMan]

FFXIV (And the best MMO of all-time imo, FFXI), are for FF fans. As much as I rave about XI, unless you are a FF fan, there are better mmo than XIV and XI.

XIV is a top MMO, it just aint ESO, WoW, or BDO.

Lebron is great, he just aint Jordan....

Dame Dolla is amazing, MR Hulu himself....But he aint no Uncle Drew......

WCW was great, but it wasn't the WWE

AEW is a solid competitor to the WWE, but it wasn't no TNA Wrestling.

Switch is great, but it aint no PS.....

Today's rap is solid....okay, that is a lie, today's rap is crap...........



...Anyway......There are levels to this. Big dog mmos extend beyond a fanbase. Not many WoW players may even know that mmo was not the 1st Warcraft game lol. Many FF players know about this franchise; evident by the many threads requesting things from other FF games.

FF will never reach the levels of online multiplayer games like Fortnite or WoW, because they do not extend beyond fans of the franchise.

I mean, I love underground rap, but the $hit aint for everybody.....

[KizuyaKatogami]

It's no secret WoW is in a terrible state right now and shed a huge amount of their playerbase, along with a nasty content drought before their next patch. Personally I draw no satisfaction from it. I don't look over to WoW and feel "hah, they got what they deserved", I just feel disappointed that there's one less MMO as an alternative option. I love FF14, but there are things I miss from WoW and it would have made me happier to see them turn Shadowlands around and make a good expansion. It might even give ff14 some competition, which is healthy because there's definitely some complacency here with the amount of content dropped, rampant bot issue, death of crafting, no healer designer, lack of primal DNC/GNB weapons and so on. BFA was a huge disappointment though and as a result I didn't even try Shadowlands. I kept an eye on it in hopes it would show potential, but it never did. There's very little risk we'll run off to other games anymore because other games are in a slump.

Couldn’t agree with this more. It’s baffling to me how many people sweep all those things under the rug this expansion. Let’s not forget about veteran rewards either. Their excuse was they couldn’t think of good rewards for it yet they have no trouble coming up with mogstation items...