To those that say FF14 is not a big dog in MMO's

[LittleImp]

WoW continues to live rent-free in every FFXIV players head.

WoW still has 3-4x the total active population of this game. Must be a better game amirite.

[Puremallace]

WoW continues to live rent-free in every FFXIV players head.

WoW still has 3-4x the total active population of this game. Must be a better game amirite.

You better believe it does because I keep watching it to see if they ever fire Ion HazExcuses for what he has done to that MMO. Everyday that they do not is another day they lose more guilds and subscribers to bad leadership. I have zero issues tracking competition for FF14 for any signs of life to see any tricks they are trying to drown out good news from this MMO.

I watch them for any signs that they will EVER get their act together and actually challenge anyone in the genre again outside of finding more creative ways to monetize their whales.

[Penthea]

WoW continues to live rent-free in every FFXIV players head.

And yet it seems Blizzard waits to see what SE are doing before deciding on their own release dates. Seems SE are living rent free in Blizzard's head.

WoW still has 3-4x the total active population of this game. Must be a better game amirite.

Don't underestimate how much nostalgia can make people stay. It took me several years to quit because of it.

Also WoW was a pivotal game when it was released, it set a new standard for mmorpgs. That sort of fame doesn't die quickly. Just look at how people are still wondering where Half Life 3 is after all these years. FFXIV achieved amazing things but it did not explode onto the market like WoW did. The flames of that era are still burning.

[Puremallace]

And yet it seems Blizzard waits to see what SE are doing before deciding on their own release dates. Seems SE are living rent free in Blizzard's head.

It is easier for a WoW player to come to the FF14 forums to figure out when the release date for new content will come out for that MMO. It is not an accident that when FF14 delayed patch 5.4 due to COVID in Japan that Blizzard also delayed an ENTIRE expansion and released it 1 week before patch 5.4.

Your assessment is certainly correct.

[TroySoFab]

Not sure if anyone actually thought FFXIV wasn't a "Big Dog" in MMOs. It is the second most played MMO, and with how fast number one is hemorrhaging players maybe number one now. Though I'm not sure what another game's content update has to do with any of this.

[Starshower]

WoW still has 3-4x the total active population of this game. Must be a better game amirite.

Well, you might be wrong here! The last time the player numbers were compared they had double the playerbase of FFXIV (it was around Shadowlands release), and now they lost 41% or so of their players. It doesn't look like WoW has that many more players over FFXIV...

[LittleImp]

Well, you might be wrong here! The last time the player numbers were compared they had double the playerbase of FFXIV (it was around Shadowlands release), and now they lost 41% or so of their players. It doesn't look like WoW has that many more players over FFXIV...

Shadowlands sold 3.7 million copies in one day.

This game typically has under 1 million active players at any given time, with it going as low as 650k during post-expansion content droughts. I think it peaked at around 1.3 million within the few months after shadowbringers launch.

[Theodric]

Shadowlands sold 3.7 million copies in one day.

This game typically has under 1 million active players at any given time, with it going as low as 650k during post-expansion content droughts. I think it peaked at around 1.3 million within the few months after shadowbringers launch.

Oh, I don't doubt that it sold decently - but I also know there's very much a cycle of people buying each new expansion, playing it for a bit and then giving up until the next one comes out. I was trapped in that cycle myself until FFXIV came along simply because none of the other MMO's on the market managed to intrigue me.

With that said, FFXIV is becoming more and more successful over time but I'd argue that it's also distancing itself more and more from veteran players in favour of trying to lure in as many new subscribers as possible.

[ItMe]

WoW continues to live rent-free in every FFXIV players head.

What does this mean?